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  • Finally, a place that sucks worse then Philly.

    Of course, it happens to be right next to Philly, go figure. Can you imagine a city of 80,000 shutting down its entire library system? Camden, NJ already has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country, tons of abandoned homes, a mostly nonwhite immigrant population, and failing schools (a full 2/3rds of students never graduate high school) but now the city is also closing it's three libraries rather then cut the large and generous public employee payroll. Why not just announce 50% salary cuts to all bureaucrats? I mean, where the hell else will those losers go for a job? If they don't like it then just fire them all and hire new people at half the rate and use the savings to improve the schools and keep the libraries open. I'm willing to bet that with the high unemployment rate they'll find lots of people applying for the jobs even after the 50% salary cut.

    A picture of lovely downtown Camden, NJ across the river from Philly:


    What a crap hole.

    Camden preparing to close its libraries, destroy books

    By Matt Katz

    Inquirer Staff Writer

    Camden is preparing to permanently shut its library system by the end of the year, potentially leaving residents of the impoverished city among the few in the United States unable to borrow a library book free.

    At an emotional but sparsely attended meeting of the library board Thursday, its president, Martin McKernan, said the city's three libraries cannot stay open past Dec. 31 because of severe budget cuts by Mayor Dana L. Redd.

    "It's extraordinary, it's appalling," McKernan said.

    All materials in the libraries would be donated, auctioned, stored, or destroyed. That includes 187,000 books, historical documents, artifacts, and electronic equipment. Keeping materials in the shuttered buildings is a fire hazard, officials said, and would make them vulnerable to vandalism and vermin.

    "They don't want to see our children grasp a future, but go down the toilet," said Jean Kehner, who described herself as a Camden resident for 76 years.

    Redd is facing a $28 million projected deficit stemming from reductions in state aid and a long-standing lack of taxable property. She is planning deep cuts in all departments, and she told McKernan last month that she would slash funding to the 105-year-old library system by about two-thirds.

    Because not even one of the three libraries could stay open in 2011 on such limited support, all 21 employees would be laid off, McKernan said.

    Redd left open the possibility that the libraries could be saved.

    "The citizens are first, and the libraries are on the top of the list as we struggle through our budget," Redd said. "I was elected during challenging times to find solutions. I understand I may be a target of a number of comments, but I have to construct the budget."

    She said she was not responsible for the closings. "That is a decision of the library board."

    There is little, if any, precedent to permanently closing an entire library system, experts said.

    The American Library Association could only cite one other example, the Hood River County Library in Oregon, which closed its one location this summer. A measure on the ballot this fall would create a new model of funding and reopen the library.

    "It's tragic," said Audra Caplan, president of the national Public Library Association. "We are the only institution in this country that provides access to information and materials for free, which is huge right now."

    There is still hope for library users and employees. City Council must approve the mayor's fiscal year 2011 budget, which contains the reduced library funding. It will be introduced Tuesday. Library board member Frank Fulbrook has suggested that city officials lay off one police officer and one firefighter to save enough money to keep one branch open.

    Discussions are also under way that would allow the Camden County library system to take over at least one branch.

    But because the people of Camden voted on Nov. 4, 1903, to establish a library, another vote might be required to disband the library and join the county system. Victoria Rosch, New Jersey associate state librarian, said only voters can close a library. Otherwise, "the trustees by law have to take that money and somehow provide library service," she said.

    In another indication of a possible lifeline, Redd said for the first time on Thursday that the city was legally required, in accordance with a state formula, to give the library nearly $390,000 this year. Previously, she said only $282,000 was available.

    McKernan said he did not know about that new figure, and July correspondence between him and the mayor confirmed that. Still, he said he did not know if the additional $108,000 would be enough to keep even one branch open part-time.

    In a city where less than a third of people have high-speed Internet service in their homes, according to the research group CamConnect, libraries allow people to go online, do schoolwork, and look for jobs. Closing the three branches would end the more than 150,000 annual visits - along with the daily chess games and children's book readings. During extreme weather, the facilities provide a respite for the homeless.

    On Thursday at the main library in downtown Camden, Gabrielle Simmons, 21, applied for a job on the Internet while her 3-year-old son, Cameron, squirmed on her lap.

    Simmons is an unemployed single mother who relies on the library to apply for jobs; many workplaces now only accept online applications. She was busy Thursday applying for a job at Old Navy in the Cherry Hill Mall.

    Next to her sat Timothy Thomson, 32, who was laid off from Verizon last year. He comes to the library twice a week to check out self-help books and apply for jobs. Despite having a bachelor's degree from Rutgers-Camden and recently completing culinary training at DeVry University, he said, he's still having trouble finding work. And now, he might lose his library.

    "They sit there and say they're trying to make Camden better," he said. "They should find somewhere else to find funding because . . . you're closing off opportunity to people."

    In a back room, children's librarian Robin Guenther presided over a reading with two dozen children. She said so far this summer, about 600 children have come in for story and crafts programs.

    "Why isn't Camden worthy of a library? How can you tell Camden, one of the poorest cities in the country, that they don't deserve a library?" she asked.

    Even closing the libraries would be a pricey proposition. The libraries contain historically valuable materials, including phone books dating to the 1880s and newspapers on microfilm from the 1870s. If the library board chooses to save the microfilm, it would cost as much as $11,000 a year. And if the library cannot find a donor for all of its books, it is considering renting seven Dumpsters for $6,230.

    In 1904, Andrew Carnegie donated $100,000 for the first library to be built in Camden. That sum might be enough to save the library more than a century later.
    Camden is preparing to permanently shut its library system by the end of the year, potentially leaving residents of the impoverished city among the few in the United States unable to borrow a library book free.


    What is even worse is the dumb****s aren't even going to sell the books or donate them to a place which isn't a total cesspool and instead they plan on destroying all the books. Beautiful. Keep up the good work New Jersey.
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    Camden sucks. It is literally next door to Philly though right across the Delaware. It's our little sister who whored her self out for crack.
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    • #3
      I'm confused. I know what the headline says but I saw nothing in the article that said they were specifically going to destroy the books. It said the microfilm newspapers would be put in Dumpsters (which is oddly capitalized so it sounds like it's some brand-name for something and maybe not trash dumpsters).

      It said they wouldn't keep the books in the shuttered libraries because it would be a fire-risk. They mightaswell just give them all away.

      Old books in the Philly Free Library System go on sale for dirt cheap or given away. When I was little, I remember always getting excited when the library had its sale of old books because I could get a bunch for like $3.

      When I worked at the Library, the cutoff date was usually if they were older than 15 years.


      What I think is the bigger issue is the lack of internet access to Camdenites now. The article talked about people applying for jobs through the computers at the library. Also, obviously, this is of concern to students who may not have computers at home.

      (Also, Philly is closing several libraries as well. This is a common phenomena; The compromise was to keep about half the branches open but reduce them to being open only 3 days of the week)

      Soda Tax didn't pass so libraries have gotten closed, fire stations are shut down, and the police force reduced. BECAUSE PRECIOUS SODA!!!!
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      • #4
        Camden is also the home of Campbell's Soup



        See, not all of Camden looks ghetto. The HQ of Campbell's is nice.

        And of course, there's Rutgers University:



        You can see Philly in the background even.
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        • #5
          If Obama really wants to create some jobs which do some public good then using stimulus money to tear down abandoned buildings in inner city locations like Camden or Detroit (or where ever) would probably be a good idea. First they're an eye sore but also these cities don't have the money to demolish these old buildings so they end up becoming crack houses or flop houses for the homeless creating crime and driving down values for the nonabandoned buildings. Second I'm sure there are a lot of materials in those buildings which can be recycled, reused, or resold such as bricks, wood, copper pipes, steel, etc... Lastly, with the buildings gone the area becomes attractive for redevelopment (or at least more attractive) which can eventually help these cities climb out of the rut they're in.
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          • #6
            Agreed, that is a SH. Flew into Philly a few years back, plan was to drive to Scranton, staying in some B&Bs along the way. First wanted to visit the historic sites in the downtown area. Upon leaving got a little trapped and ended up going east on 676, then I'm in this city trying to turn around.

            Made the first right I could and then in trying to turn around or find a way back to Philly, saw this guy hanging on the corner, who looked at me and pointed where I needed to go. LOL, I really must have looked lost.

            That place reminded me of East St. Louis, only more brick structures, but still pretty trashed.
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            • #7
              Camden has the USS New Jersey. They shoudl have moved it over to the Independence Seaport Museum though. Maybe then they would have had enough cash to not sink the Olympia next spring
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              • #8
                Bah. It's not East St. Louis bad...

                It has a Rutgers campus, the Camden Aquarium, Camden Arts Center, the Camden Waterfront, the Susquehanna Bank Center (formerly Tweeter Center), etc.

                There's a lot of attractions in Camden. The Camden Aquarium alone attracts 2 million visitors a year.
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                • #9
                  Strange that US resembles british 18 century industrial slum so much except the roads is a little wider and the housings maybe a bit bigger.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                    Strange that US resembles british 18 century industrial slum so much except the roads is a little wider and the housings maybe a bit bigger.
                    That street is not representative... there's no expensive cars parked. Seriously.

                    I remember I posted pictures here from my old neighborhood years ago and all the foreigners commented on how the houses could look so ghetto but the cars in front of them were so nice.
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                    • #11
                      Finally, a place that sucks worse then Philly.



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lonestar View Post
                        Camden has the USS New Jersey. They shoudl have moved it over to the Independence Seaport Museum though. Maybe then they would have had enough cash to not sink the Olympia next spring
                        hard to believe that noone will fork the money to save that ship
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                        • #13
                          They're practically exactly across the river from each other, too.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                            Strange that US resembles british 18 century industrial slum so much except the roads is a little wider and the housings maybe a bit bigger.
                            Oh don't worry, there are large proportions of English cities that also represent British 18th Century slum...take my home city for example.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                              Strange that US resembles british 18 century industrial slum so much except the roads is a little wider and the housings maybe a bit bigger.
                              Most of that probably is late 19th century industrial slum.
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