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    Poor Ben.



    California's gay-marriage ban overturned

    A federal judge on Wednesday struck down a California ban on same-sex marriages as unconstitutional, according to court documents, handing a key victory to gay-rights advocates in a politically charged decision almost certain to reach the U.S. Supreme Court.

    The highly anticipated ruling by U.S. District Court Chief Judge Vaughn Walker marked a major turning point for a social debate that has sharply divided the American public and its political establishment.

    The lawsuit had been filed by two gay couples who claimed the voter-approved ban violated their civil rights.

    Gay rights advocates and civil libertarians have cast the legal battle as a fight for equal rights, while opponents, including many religious conservatives, see same-sex marriage as a threat to the “traditional family.”

    Both sides have said an appeal to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals was certain regardless of the outcome on Wednesday. The case could then go to the Supreme Court, provided the high court’s justices opted to hear it.

    Supporters argued the ban was necessary to safeguard the traditional understanding of marriage and to encourage responsible childbearing.

    California voters passed the ban as Proposition 8 in November, 2008, five months after the state Supreme Court legalized gay marriage.

    Judge Walker heard 13 days of testimony and arguments since January during the first trial in federal court to examine if states can prohibit homosexuals from getting married.

    The verdict was the second in a federal gay-marriage case to come down in recent weeks. A federal judge in Massachusetts decided last month the state's legally married gay couples had been wrongly denied the federal financial benefits of marriage because of a law preventing the U.S. government from recognizing same-sex unions.

    The plaintiffs in the California case presented 18 witnesses. Academic experts testified about topics ranging from the fitness of gay parents and religious views on homosexuality to the historical meaning of marriage and the political influence of the gay-rights movement.

    Former U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson delivered the closing argument for opponents of the ban. He told Judge Walker that tradition or fears of harm to heterosexual unions were legally insufficient grounds to discriminate against gay couples.

    Mr. Olson teamed up with David Boies to argue the case, bringing together the two litigators best known for representing George W. Bush and Al Gore in the disputed 2000 election.

    Defence lawyers called just two witnesses, claiming they did not need to present expert testimony because U.S. Supreme Court precedent was on their side. The attorneys also said gay marriage was an experiment with unknown social consequences that should be left to voters to accept or reject.

    Former U.S. Justice Department lawyer Charles Cooper, who represented the religious and conservative groups that sponsored the ban, said cultures around the world, previous courts and Congress all accepted the “common-sense belief that children do best when they are raised by their own mother and father.”

    In an unusual move, the original defendants, California Attorney General Jerry Brown and Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, refused to support Proposition 8 in court.

    That left the work of defending the law to Protect Marriage, the group that successfully sponsored the ballot measure that passed with 52 per cent of the vote after the most expensive political campaign on a social issue in U.S. history.

    Currently, same-sex couples can only legally wed in Massachusetts, Iowa, Connecticut, Vermont, New Hampshire and Washington, D.C.
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    America is slowly moving to the left of Ben. Maybe he'll give up his dreams of coming here.

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    • #3
      Indifference is Bliss

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      • #4
        Democracy is dead
        I need a foot massage

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        • #5
          America is slowly moving to the left of Ben.



          The 9th Circuit Court is already to the left of both Ben and America. I guess the Supreme Court will have to deal with this issue after all.
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          • #6
            The 9th circuit is idiotic, iirc, so I don't put much stock behind them.

            By the way, virginia has a gay marriage ban in its constitution as well. And like all constitutional amendments, it had to pass by referendum with I believe 60% of the vote.
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            • #7
              Their word is the final one unless the Supremes decide to weigh in.

              edit: Reading the article again, this case hasn't even made it to the 9th Circuit yet. This decision means nothing.
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              • #8
                While I think that gay marriage should be legalized, I am suspicious that this is a bad ruling.

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                • #9
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Agreed with the distinguished pinko posting above me.

                    However, you know exactly how the Right is going to use this as a blunt instrument with the midterms approaching. (Not to mention the Cordoba House "controversy".)
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                    • #11
                      This was definitely a win-win case for the right, and it will be even better for them if the Supremes end up weighing in on this right before the 2012 election.
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                      • #12
                        Hard to know how long it will take to work its way to the Supremes, but given how extensively the judge quoted Kennedy's previous opinions, you'd have to lay odds on the Court upholding this decision. If that does happen just prior to the 2012 election... jesus ****, I can't imagine how ****ed up things will get.
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                        "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                        • #13
                          Judge Walker is gay, so I'm sure there will also be complaints of bias...
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                          • #14
                            Wait.

                            We allow gays to be judges? What is this, France?!
                            "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
                            "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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                            • #15
                              Maybe Reagan nominated him on grounds of stylishness.
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