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    EAST ST. LOUIS • The Rev. Joseph Tracy said he’s tired of going to funerals. And now, he suspects he’ll be going to more of them.

    "It’s open field day now," said Tracy, the pastor of Straightway Baptist Church here. "The criminals are going to run wild."

    Gang activity. Drug dealing. Cold-blooded killing. Tracy worries that a decision to shrink the police force by almost 30 percent will bring more of everything.

    The pastor voiced his concern on Friday at a raucous special City Council meeting at which East St. Louis Mayor Alvin Parks announced that the city will layoff 37 employees, including 19 of its 62 police officers, 11 firefighters, four public works employees, and three administrators. The layoffs take effect on Sunday.

    Parks said the weak economy has robbed the city of badly need money. For example, revenue from the Casino Queen was $900,000 below budget expectations last year. There are no signs of improvement, Parks said.

    "I want our citizens to know we have some of the bravest police officers and firefighters in the country," Parks said. "But we don’t have the money to pay them. We have to have fiscal responsibility."

    City officials wanted police and fire unions to accept a furlough program that would have required employees to take two unpaid days in each twice monthly pay period. If accepted, emergency responders would have seen a pay cut of about 20 percent for the rest of the year.

    Parks said the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement. On Friday, he stared at a standing-room only crowd and told his emergency response chiefs words they didn’t want to hear: "Tell your workers to start packing their things."

    The news spurred shouts from the crowd.

    "The blood is on your hands," yelled Michael Hubbard, an East St. Louis police officer.

    Hubbard said he will be the lone patrolman for East St. Louis’ midnight shift when the cuts go into effect.

    "This is devastating," Hubbard told a reporter after the meeting.

    East St. Louis has been crippled by crime and poverty for decades. Police officials say the cuts will mean fewer officers for patrols, investigations and juvenile cases. Fire officials said the region should be upset because the department will have fewer people at the ready to fight fires on some of the region’s major highways and bridges.

    The police already rely on other agencies to handle some of the heavy case load. For example, the Illinois State Police routinely work on the city’s homicide investigations.

    Capt. Steve Johnson, of the St. Clair County Sheriff’s Department, said his agency has no plans for stepping up work in East St. Louis.

    "We don’t do calls for service in East St. Louis," Johnson said. "But, if we’re called for assistance, we will help when we can."

    Worries about East St. Louis’ crime rate got little sympathy from Councilman Roy Mosley, who gave a 10-minute speech on Friday blasting the city’s police officers.

    "We don’t have the money," Mosley said. "You lay off when you don’t have the money. The money’s gone."

    Mosley complained that police officers take patrol cars home, park them in other jurisdictions, and misuse the city’s gasoline.

    "I’m only telling the truth," he shouted.

    The crowd jeered.

    "You can see how disrespectful they are," Mosley said while pointing at the police officers. "You see what they’re doing to me right now."

    Richard V. Stewart Jr., an attorney for the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police union, said Mosley’s claims are untrue.

    Stewart said the words amounted to nothing more than "political grandstanding."

    "Unfortunately, this is what I expected," Stewart said.

    The union plans to fight the layoffs and work to get the jobs back.

    Bad blood already exists between the two sides. An arbitrator has ruled that the city improperly imposed unpaid furlough days on its employees earlier this year. The city was ordered to pay $500,000 back in lost wages.

    On Friday, the city approved a proposal to defer bond payments until next year in order to free up $500,000.

    "Next year is a different situation," Mayor Parks said.



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    Stupidest thing I've ever heard. Cutting cops in a city with some of the highest gang violence in the country? Really? Police forces are one of the few legitimate expenditures governments make.

    My solution to this - and I swear to God I'm not kidding - is to bring in the National Guard and bulldoze the projects and the slums. Follow that up with BEEFING up the police presence with orders to shoot to kill if threatened by gang members - ie, loosen the rules of engagement and use of force requirements they operate in.

    Once you kill the gang members and the other criminals, then you can perhaps look at reducing the police. But let's face it - the "solution" of slashing police forces in cities like E. St. Louis is just as insane as mine may (MAY) be.
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  • #2
    30%? I can understand the concern.
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    • #3
      In Philly, the soda tax didn't pass so they're eliminating two police academy classes (effectively a downsize of the police force) and closing down some fire stations.

      It's interesting that cops (and fire fighters) are the first thing to go.
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      • #4
        Better to have less police and fire fighters than a dreaded soda tax.
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        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          2006 number of crimes per 100,000 people:
          Crime East Saint Louis National average
          Murder 101.9 5.6
          Rape 251.3 32.2
          Robbery 1,347.0 195.4
          Assault 5,847.3 340.1
          Burglary 2,442.8 814.5
          Automobile theft 2,067.5 526.5

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          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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          • #6
            I don't think that bulldozing and starting over is entirely unreasonable.

            Nor do I think it unreasonable to assume that at least some of the Councilmembers responsible for this in East St Louis have either criminal backgrounds or just haven't been caught yet.
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            • #7
              I don't think that bulldozing and starting over is entirely unreasonable.


              What's the point of bulldozing the city? Really? That's retarded. Where are people going to live while you bulldoze a whole city? You bulldoze it and rebuild then what? It's the rust belt. There are reasons why the city is piss poor (median household income is ~$20K). You're not addressing those reasons by demolishing an entire city and rebuilding it. That's just a waste because as soon as you rebuild it, it'll turn right back into a crime-ridden ****hole. What are you suggesting to prevent that from happening?
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              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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              • #8
                You can't throw all the scummy people into the Mississippi. Even it would choke.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  What's the point of bulldozing the city? Really? That's retarded. Where are people going to live while you bulldoze a whole city? You bulldoze it and rebuild then what? It's the rust belt. There are reasons why the city is piss poor (median household income is ~$20K). You're not addressing those reasons by demolishing an entire city and rebuilding it. That's just a waste because as soon as you rebuild it, it'll turn right back into a crime-ridden ****hole. What are you suggesting to prevent that from happening?
                  Who said anything about rebuilding? ****, most of those people belong in prison anyway. Don't believe me? Check the crime statistics you posted.
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                  • #10
                    You said:
                    I don't think that bulldozing and starting over is entirely unreasonable.
                    That implies rebuilding.

                    And you're absurd if you think most of a city of 30,000 people are criminals. If anything, most of them are being terrorized by crime.

                    And you want to reduce a city of 30,000 people to being homeless? Where are they going to go? Hell, where are the criminals going to go but to neighboring counties and commit crimes there?
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                    • #11
                      I'd be willing to be that there are some very simple things they could do to clean up East St Louis. To start with, if they are being terrorized by crime, perhaps they should go to the police, even if it means ratting out friends or family members.

                      Oh wait, that's right, they can't - the City Council THEY voted into office voted to lay off 30% of the police force in the most violent and criminal city in the nation.
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                      • #12
                        Wait a second... East St. Louis has cops!??

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                        • #13
                          Well, they used to. They were probably bought and paid for by the gangs though.
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                          • #14
                            Is it the most violent, David? Remember places like Detroit and Gary, Indiana. It's a race.
                            Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                            He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                            • #15
                              Detroit is bulldozing.
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