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    At Militarty.com tonight, said that 400,000 e-mails where sent to US Military personnel, and only 40,000 have been returned. No word on how the voting is going. The Military wants the voting completed in Aug.

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    Can't believe it's still alive.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #3
      I know
      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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      • #4
        The military is largely conservative, and largely a boys club. It makes perfect sense that its still around despite the policy making no sense at all. I've never heard a good argument for it.
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        Kalonike: Only we women? Poor Greece!

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        • #5
          I don't know if it's a good argument but I said it before on Apolyton. One potential problem is with regards to a very small and short in duration but important part of the military... basic training. The extreme close quarters and lack of privacy as well as everything that goes on in boot camp can make things problematic with homosexual recruits.

          Consider, you don't see coed basic training either.

          I don't know if that's a good reason but it's something that has to be considered.
          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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          • #6
            My impression was that the US army had no issues with gays--see e.g. McChrystal and the article on him which discusses his support (and that of his staff) for an open policy. I haven't seen any recent articles or statements in support of the "don't ask don't tell" policy by members of the military.
            "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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            • #7
              I'm not sure why a canadian would care so much about the US military's DADT policy.
              If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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              • #8
                Are you referring to me?
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                  My impression was that the US army had no issues with gays--see e.g. McChrystal and the article on him which discusses his support (and that of his staff) for an open policy. I haven't seen any recent articles or statements in support of the "don't ask don't tell" policy by members of the military.
                  From March of this year, Zevico:

                  Daily updates of everything that you need know about what is going on in the military community and abroad including military gear and equipment, breaking news, international news and more.


                  The Marine Corps' top officer said March 25 that even if the ban on openly-serving gays in the services is lifted, he would draw the line at forcing heterosexual Marines to bunk with gays on base.

                  "We want to continue [two-person rooms], but I would not ask our Marines to live with someone who is homosexual if we can possibly avoid it," Marine Commandant Gen. James Conway told Military.com during an exclusive interview at the Pentagon. "And to me that means we have to build BEQs [bachelor enlisted quarters] and have single rooms."
                  As you can see, his concern is about barracks living.

                  "In this case, I would want to reserve the right of a Marine that thinks he or she wouldn't want to [share a room with a homosexual]. And again that's the overwhelming … number of people that say that they wouldn't like to do so." Conway said the Corps billets two-to-a-room -- unique today among the services -- because it believes it's good for unit cohesion. But if a gay Marine sharing a room with a straight one has the opposite effect, the Corps will adopt the single-room standard of the other services.
                  Conway said he expects the working group established by Gates to look at repealing DADT will provide the services "with more data than ever before about how our people think and what the impact of the change might be." But after conducting numerous town hall-style meetings around the Corps with Sgt. Maj. of the Marine Corps Carlton Kent, Conway believes most Marines have real concerns about gays serving openly.

                  He said they routinely ask the Marines three questions: Do they believe repealing Don't Ask will adversely impact good order and discipline? Will repeal have an adverse impact on unit cohesion? And would they be willing to share a room with a Marine who has declared himself or herself a homosexual?

                  "An overwhelming number of Marines have significant concerns about those issues," Conway said. "If perception is reality, we just think our Corps would not want to see a change."
                  "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                  "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Asher View Post
                    Are you referring to me?
                    No I'm referring to the other gay canadian

                    yes.

                    And I don't mean to offend, I really don't get why you care so much.

                    NB: I think DADT is stupid too
                    If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                    • #11
                      It's a matter of principle. I'd be upset if they forbade jews or blacks from serving as well.
                      "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                      Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                      • #12
                        Do you support admitting women into the infantry and special forces, Asher?
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • #13
                          If they can meet the physical requirements.
                          "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                          Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                          • #14
                            Asher
                            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                            - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                              Asher

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