Soccer really sucks, doesn't it?

[Wezil]

The hockey equivalent would be one player tripping another and given a red card, team playing with 4 players the rest of the game.

Then that needs to be fixed. Make it a personal penalty (player unavail but team not short) or a team penalty of shorter duration. If diving is a problem then fix it (and do something about those horns while you're at it).

Yellow card would be given for interference, holding, delaying the game, or sneezing at an opponent (that is a joke, in case you didn't understand). Hockey is a game which has more physical contact than football.

Understood.

[MikeH]

So we're arguing that it's a punishment because it's a punishment?

God we're evil.

[MikeH]

The USA vs England match drew a 6.1 National TV rating... which was better than the Stanley Cup final game.
Quite a surprise.

Is the Stanley cup for ice hockey? That'd be great if it was.

[Kitschum]

I didn't say it wasn't a big deal, I said it was a warning, not a punishment.

Your point is that a yellow card doesn't fit some arbitrary standard of "punishment"? How is that a worthwhile comment?

Call it semantics if you want but you have confirmed there is no actual punishment accompanying the yellow card. It is indeed a "warning".

A yellow card is a sanction (proper term). Other sanctions are red cards, suspensions, fines. Punishment is a meaningless term.

But let me humor you: After having received a yellow card the player may now be sent off for a lesser infraction than a non-carded player, or suspended for a lesser infraction in a following match. He has in effect been demoted to a lower "status" than other players. I think that would fit some definition of punishment.

[Wezil]

Your point is that a yellow card doesn't fit some arbitrary standard of "punishment"? How is that a worthwhile comment?

If it is no more than "don't do it a second time" then it is a warning.

A yellow card is a sanction (proper term). Other sanctions are red cards, suspensions, fines. Punishment is a meaningless term.

I was hoping to avoid the argument over terms. Penalty/punishment/sanction. Meh, unimportant to the issue at hand. If the only sanction is to make sure the player follows the rules in the future then it is not a sanction. It is losing your "freebie".

But let me humor you: After having received a yellow card the player may now be sent off for a lesser infraction than a non-carded player, or suspended for a lesser infraction in a following match. He has in effect been demoted to a lower "status" than other players. I think that would fit some definition of punishment.

Holy ****, it took you guys this long to bring up an actual, valid argument?

A probation status of sorts? Yes, that is actually a punishment.

[MikeH]

It just took this long for you to comprehend the argument people have been making for dozens of posts.

[OzzyKP]

Why are you all talking about that provincial-played by almost no one- sport for countries with Russian like weather called Ice Hockey?

Because discussing how much hockey sucks is far more interesting than how much soccer sucks.

The USA vs England match drew a 6.1 National TV rating... which was better than the Stanley Cup final game.
Quite a surprise.

Not a surprise for me. No one cares about hockey anymore. For it to be beat out by soccer, especially a group game, shows just how irrelevant hockey is nowadays.

Hockey

[Wezil]

It just took this long for you to comprehend the argument people have been making for dozens of posts.

Show me where that argument has been made Mike.

Quote or apologise.

[Kitschum]

You tried to prove Asher wrong with your examples (two yellows) and failed miserably.

So now a lot of Europeans, some with easily mixed-up names, have jumped in on this pointless argument but this was aimed at me. But you started it with me and not with any of them.

Just as I suspected you have had this argument wrong right from the beginning. I didn't try to prove Asher "wrong" since he only asked a question and didn't make any claims. He asked whether diving is a "penalty" in soccer. I answered yes, because it is the way any reasonable person would translate that hockey term to soccer. Then I added substance to my post because as it happened in the match I had just seen there were in fact two such "penalties".

[MOBIUS]

Because discussing how much hockey sucks is far more interesting than how much soccer sucks.





Not a surprise for me. No one cares about hockey anymore. For it to be beat out by soccer, especially a group game, shows just how irrelevant hockey is nowadays.

Hockey

So what we're saying is that hockey is as insignificant as, say, Canada...?

[a.kitman]

in this case a warning is a punishment as it will impact your style of play. its not a meaningless slap on the wrist as you try to make it,

there wezil. and thats just the first time i said it.

[Kitschum]

If it is no more than "don't do it a second time" then it is a warning.

It is a warning. It is not "just a warning".

I was hoping to avoid the argument over terms. Penalty/punishment/sanction. Meh, unimportant to the issue at hand. If the only sanction is to make sure the player follows the rules in the future then it is not a sanction. It is losing your "freebie".

You were talking about sources in some post to somebody else. FIFA disiplinary code is here. Look under "various sanctions" for "caution" (yellow card):

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/administration/disciplinarycode.html

A probation status of sorts? Yes, that is actually a punishment.

Not that it matters.

[Wezil]

there wezil. and thats just the first time i said it.

And that is still not a punishment.

This:

the player may now be sent off for a lesser infraction than a non-carded player, or suspended for a lesser infraction

was the first mention of anything resembling a punishment in that there is now a lower standard for that player relative to others in the future (not just doing the same thing twice). Unless of course this provided information is incorrect...

[a.kitman]

iam gona buy a vuvuzela and follow wezil around whit it.

[a.kitman]

no he can not get a second yellow card for less then another player can get there first yellow for. but he can be sent off easier. which is what we been saying for ****ing ever and you just dont get it.