[serious] Ok which of these two am I?

[Heraclitus]

Issues has an issue and she won't rest until it becomes your issue, too. Even when she's not talking about her issue it's clear she would rather be talking about her issue. Something of a secular evangelist, he religion, her raison d'etre, her abiding passion is....well, her issue. Not exclusive to any ideological orientation, her issue could be the environment, abortion rights, raw foods, breast feeding, whatever. Her obsession, however, provides the key to defeating her in battle; she can't tolerate indifference, so if her thrusts are simply ignored she will rage, accuse, condemn, plead and finally, go away.



Troglodyte seems to have emerged from the mists of time untouched by human evolution. Devoid of a single progressive idea and lacking the slightest awareness of social and cultural advances, Troglodyte has developed an incoherent political philosophy that he characterizes as "conservative" or "libertarian", but which could be more accurately described as "bigoted narcissism". His aggressive posturing often frightens off weaker, more timid Warriors. In pitched battle, however, Troglodyte easily loses control and his attack quickly degenerates into a rant. Just for the fun of it, Weenie, Issues. Pinko and Evil Clown will sometimes deliberately goad him into a towering rage.

Instructions:
Only discuss flame warror types http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/war...troglodyte.htm

[loinburger]

You're a Maoist

[DaShi]

You really aren't very different from Ben. This is the kind of "look at me" crap that he too often posts.

[loinburger]

That's a good comparison - Heraclitus is a very reasonable bigot ("But science says that black people are dumb!") and Ben is a very reasonable blight on humanity.

[Al B. Sure!]

Did you just discover that flame warriors thing and think it's the most amazing thing ever since slavery?

That was posted here on Apolyton back in 1999.

[Al B. Sure!]

Maybe...

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

[Heraclitus]

That was posted here on Apolyton back in 1999.

Yeah its oldschool.

[Heraclitus]

Maybe...

Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

Good comparison I should have put it in the poll

[Heraclitus]

"But science says that black people are dumb!".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstr...n_Intelligence

Mainstream Science on Intelligence was a public statement issued by a group of academic researchers in fields allied to intelligence testing which claimed to present those findings which are widely accepted in the expert community. It was originally published in the Wall Street Journal on December 13, 1994 as a response to what the authors viewed as the inaccurate and misleading reports made by the media regarding academic consensus on the results of intelligence research in the wake of the appearance of The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray earlier the same year. It was drafted by professor of psychology Linda Gottfredson and signed by Gottfredson and 51 other university professors specializing in intelligence and related fields, including around one third of the editorial board of the journal Intelligence,[1] in which it was subsequently reprinted in 1997. The 1997 editorial prefaced a special volume of Intelligence with contributions from a wide array of psychologists.

The letter to the Wall Street Journal set out 25 conclusions:[2]

1. "Intelligence is a very general mental capability ... it reflects a broader and deeper capability for comprehending our surroundings ..."
2. "Intelligence, so defined, can be measured, and intelligence tests measure it well. They are among the most accurate (in technical terms, reliable and valid) of all psychological tests and assessments."
3. "While there are different types of intelligence tests, they all measure the same intelligence."
4. "The spread of people along the IQ continuum ... can be represented well by the ... ‘normal curve'."
5. "Intelligence tests are not culturally biased"
6. "The brain processes underlying intelligence are still little understood"
7. "Members of all racial-ethnic groups can be found at every IQ level"
8. "The bell curve for whites is centered roughly around IQ 100; the bell curve for American blacks roughly around 85; and those for different subgroups of Hispanics roughly midway between those for whites and blacks. The evidence is less definitive for exactly where above IQ 100 the bell curves for Jews and Asians are centered"
9. "IQ is strongly related, probably more so than any other single measureable human trait, to many important educational, occupational, economic, and social outcomes ... Whatever IQ tests measure, it is of great practical and social importance"
10. "A high IQ is an advantage because virtually all activities require some reasoning and decision-making"
11. "The practical advantages of having a higher IQ increase as life’s settings become more complex"
12. "Differences in intelligence certainly are not the only factor affecting performance in education, training, and complex jobs ... but intelligence is often the most important"
13. "Certain personality traits, special talents, [etc] are important ... in many jobs, but they have narrower (or unknown) applicability or ‘transferability’ across tasks and settings compared with general intelligence"
14. "Heritability estimates range from 0.4 to 0.8 ... indicating genetics plays a bigger role than environment in creating IQ differences"
15. "Members of the same family also tend to differ substantially in intelligence"
16. "That IQ may be highly heritable does not mean that it is not affected by the environment ... IQs do gradually stabilize during childhood, however, and generally change little thereafter"
17. "Although the environment is important in creating IQ differences, we do not know yet how to manipulate it"
18. "Genetically caused differences are not necessarily irremediable"
19. "There is no persuasive evidence that the IQ bell curves for different racial-ethnic groups are converging"
20. "Racial-ethnic differences in IQ bell curves are essentially the same when youngsters leave high school as when they enter first grade ... black 17-year-olds perform, on the average, more like white 13-year-olds"
21. "The reasons that blacks differ among themselves in intelligence appear to be the same as those for why whites ... differ among themselves"
22. "There is no definitive answer as to why bell curves differ across racial-ethnic groups. The reasons for these IQ differences between groups may be markedly different from the reasons for why individuals differ among themselves within any particular group"
23. "Racial-ethnic differences are somewhat smaller but still substantial for individuals from the same socio-economic backgrounds"
24. "Almost all Americans who identify themselves as black have white ancestors – the white admixture is about 20% ... research on intelligence relies on self-classification into distinct racial categories"
25. "The research findings neither dictate nor preclude any particular social policy, because they can never determine our goals"

* Richard D. Arvey, University of Minnesota
* Thomas J. Bouchard, Jr., University of Minnesota
* John B. Carroll, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
* Raymond B. Cattell, University of Hawaii
* David B. Cohen, University of Texas at Austin
* Rene V. Dawis, University of Minnesota
* Douglas K. Detterman, Case Western Reserve University
* Marvin Dunnette, University of Minnesota
* Hans Eysenck, University of London
* Jack M. Feldman, Georgia Institute of Technology
* Edwin A. Fleishman, George Mason University
* Grover C. Gilmore, Case Western Reserve University
* Robert A. Gordon, Johns Hopkins University
* Linda S. Gottfredson, University of Delaware
* Robert L. Greene, Case Western Reserve University
* Richard J. Haier, University of California, Irvine
* Garrett Hardin, University of California, Santa Barbara
* Robert Hogan, University of Tulsa



* Joseph M. Horn, University of Texas at Austin
* Lloyd G. Humphreys, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
* John E. Hunter, Michigan State University
* Seymour W. Itzkoff, Smith College
* Douglas N. Jackson, University of Western Ontario
* James J. Jenkins, University of South Florida
* Arthur R. Jensen, University of California, Berkeley
* Alan S. Kaufman, University of Alabama
* Nadeen L. Kaufman, California School of Professional Psychology at San Diego
* Timothy Z. Keith, Alfred University
* Nadine Lambert, University of California, Berkeley
* John C. Loehlin, University of Texas at Austin
* David Lubinski, Iowa State University
* David T. Lykken, University of Minnesota
* Richard Lynn, University of Ulster at Coleraine
* Paul E. Meehl, University of Minnesota
* R. Travis Osborne, University of Georgia
* Robert Perloff, University of Pittsburgh



* Robert Plomin, Institute of Psychiatry, London
* Cecil R. Reynolds, Texas A&M University
* David C. Rowe, University of Arizona
* J. Philippe Rushton, psychologist, University of Western Ontario
* Vincent Sarich, University of Auckland New Zealand
* Sandra Scarr, University of Virginia
* Frank L. Schmidt, University of Iowa
* Lyle F. Schoenfeldt, Texas A&M University
* James C. Sharf, George Washington University
* Herman Spitz, former director E.R. Johnstone Training and Research Center, Bordentown, N.J.
* Julian C. Stanley, Johns Hopkins University
* Del Thiessen, University of Texas at Austin
* Lee A. Thompson, Case Western Reserve University
* Robert M. Thorndike, Western Washington University
* Philip Anthony Vernon, University of Western Ontario
* Lee Willerman, University of Texas at Austin

[Al B. Sure!]

Wow... Definitely that Iron Brain guy... You just proved it with that post.