Ships to Gaza incident

[Guardian]

Hmmmm...

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/me...ex.html?hpt=T1

My initial reaction: I wonder what the hell happened here??

The only thing that seems clear to me at the moment is that something went terribly wrong.
The sheer number of deaths seem to indicate an “over the top” use of force, which I would have to say is not uncommon with the IDF, but on the other hand, it also seems clear to me that this was not the all peaceful aid convoy it’s currently being depicted as in the media. Why do I say this? Well, basically because there simply is no way even the IDF would have used this much force to stop a convoy full of peaceful aid workers.

Since it’s so unclear what actually happened why and how, I will not judge or blame anyone at this time.

[BeBMan]

Since it's all so unclear right now I wouldn't come up with:

The sheer number of deaths seem to indicate an “over the top” use of force, which I would have to say is not uncommon with the IDF, but on the other hand, it also seems clear to me that this was not the all peaceful aid convoy it’s currently being depicted as in the media.

[Guardian]

Good point, I guess...

[dannubis]

I say we wait until we know what is on board of those ships.

If weapons were on board, then they got was coming to them.

If no weapons were on board then it is time for serious sanctions.

As a side question to our in house navy experts ( ) if the ship was sailing under turkish flag, and turkey being member of nato, what should our response be if it turn out that the mission was purely humanitarian ?

[Hauldren Collider]

Apparently, many of the "peace activitists" were armed with concealed handguns, sharpened screwdrivers, crowbars, and knives. Well **** me sideways, the word peace must have changed definition when I wasn't looking.

Israeli Navy
Wounding anti-semites
Killing terrorists

Bet we hear that there were weapons aboard in a few days. That's what humanitarian aid means to arabs in the middle east

[Hauldren Collider]

I say we wait until we know what is on board of those ships.

If weapons were on board, then they got was coming to them.

If no weapons were on board then it is time for serious sanctions.

As a side question to our in house navy experts ( ) if the ship was sailing under turkish flag, and turkey being member of nato, what should our response be if it turn out that the mission was purely humanitarian ?

There is a blockade on gaza to encourage hamas to step down from power. You clearly have no idea how hard it is to protect a country the size of New Jersey from terrorist attacks when you are surrounded on all sides by either the sea or radical muslims. This is a country fighting for its life. If you think it doesn't have the right to use extreme measures to keep its people alive, you are either a tool or an anti semite.

[OneFootInTheGrave]

nuke the whole middle east, take the oil, put George Bush in charge as a commisioner freedom

[Ari Rahikkala]

I say we wait until we know what is on board of those ships.

If weapons were on board, then they got was coming to them.

If no weapons were on board then it is time for serious sanctions.

As a side question to our in house navy experts ( ) if the ship was sailing under turkish flag, and turkey being member of nato, what should our response be if it turn out that the mission was purely humanitarian ?

Good thing you said the question is whether there were weapons on board or whether the IDF will say they found weapons - I'd say we already know the answer to the latter

[Hauldren Collider]

They were attacked you dumbass, how the hell else would 10 commandos have been wounded? This whole IHH organization is well established to have ties with terrorists.

[Kuciwalker]

Apparently, many of the "peace activitists" were armed with concealed handguns, sharpened screwdrivers, crowbars, and knives.

Oh my god there were crowbars on a boat!

Those definitely count as WMD - if they also had Gordon Freeman on board.

[Dr Strangelove]

If the ships were outside of Israeli terrirorial waters then Israel had no right to board them, hence the crew had the right to defend themselves.
One of the articles posted said a crew member grabbed the handgun from an Israelis soldier as he landed on deck, so the gunfire did not come fromm guns carried on the ship. Also note that there are no reports of Israeli casualties, which make me wonder about reports of the ship crews firing on the Israelis. Basically it's just like the Gaza invasion - numerous dead brown people and not one Israeli scratched, which leads to the logical conclusion that the brown people lacked the means to fight back.

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh my god there were crowbars on a boat!

And handguns and knives.

[Dauphin]

Apparently, many of the "peace activitists" were armed with concealed handguns, sharpened screwdrivers, crowbars, and knives. Well **** me sideways, the word peace must have changed definition when I wasn't looking.

Yet, with all those weapons they appear not to have killed one Israeli commando*. Use of only non-deadly force by these evil "peace activists".

* I haven't checked my facts. I don't want them to get in the way.

[Al B. Sure!]

Arabs are brown and Israelis are not?

Are Armenians brown? Bosnians? When white people get victimized by other white people, do the victims get brown status?

[a.kitman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&playnext_from=TL&videos=aHJYWNDtmOQ&feature=sub

first vid i have seen from idf point of view. iam not a military expert but just lowering one dude down to a mob of angry people seem like a retarded idea.