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    Some Indian call centres resorting to trickery
    As the Philippine call centre industry plays catch up with India, the latter is doing all it can to diversify — and put customers at ease

    NOIDA, INDIA–It’s a few minutes before midnight on a recent evening and Warren Rungsung can smell a sale.

    Sitting in a crowded call centre in Noida, a fast-growing suburb on the outskirts of New Delhi, Rungsung has spent 10 minutes chatting up Dave, a man in his 30s who lives in Chicago. Rungsung has been trying to convince Dave to buy erectile dysfunction medication.

    A handsome 21-year-old from Manipur, a state in northeast India, Rungsung rubs his hands together. He’s drawn Dave into a surprisingly intimate conversation about bedroom anxieties and Dave seems ready to place an order.

    But first a seemingly innocuous question: “Where you calling from?” Dave asks over a crackly phone connection.

    Rungsung doesn’t miss a beat as he answers, “Calgary, Canada.”

    His fingers fly over his keyboard as he types “Calgary forecast.”

    “It’s nice today,” he says as a five-day forecast for the Canadian city pops up on his screen. “But we may get rain tomorrow.”

    Rungsung’s trickery speaks to the uncertain times India’s call centre industry is facing.

    India’s call centres — a key cog in the country’s championed services industry — have been going through hard times as anger has simmered in North America over jobs being outsourced overseas. The issue is a political minefield and in some call centres, including this one in Noida, employees are convinced it’s easier to say they’re calling from Canada.

    “It’s believable,” Rungsung’s boss Sandip Mehra says with a shrug and a grin.

    Perhaps a laid off General Motors worker in Michigan would be less likely to snap at a caller from Calgary rather than one from India, the thinking goes. It’s also easier to coax a U.S. customer to provide credit-card information for a purchase if they think they’re dealing with someone “next door” in Canada.

    “Many scams are happening right now and Canada is close to the U.S.,” Mehra says. “With everything going on, people think it’s less risky to send your information to Canada.”

    That kind of deception isn’t isolated, industry officials say.

    It’s standard practice in so-called “accent neutralization” classes to teach new employees how to sound North American.

    In a chilly office two floors below Rungsung’s cubicle, an instructor gives nine new employees tips for pronouncing words like “turtle” and “bucket” as westerners do. She is quick to correct her students’ efforts.

    “Please don’t take this criticism to heart,” she says, as an air conditioner roars and her new colleagues scribble notes.

    But as any Anglophone studying French knows, it’s not easy to disguise an accent and the Indian accent remains a point of contention for some clients.

    That’s good news for the Philippines, where locals are said to speak with an American accent, and bad news for India.

    The Philippines’ share of the call centre industry has climbed from virtually zero a decade ago to 15 per cent. Meanwhile, India’s share of the market, while growing in value, has fallen to 40 per cent from about 80 per cent in 2004, the Wall Street Journal reported recently.

    Earlier this year, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, president of the Philippines, boasted that her nation “with 90 million people has challenged India’s one billion population for (call centre) supremacy.”

    India’s call centre business is also under fire from the World Trade Organization, which charges that the lengthy tax holidays enjoyed here by call centre companies are inappropriate.

    But don’t count Indian call centres out just yet — many have begun diversifying.

    At Genpact, one of the world’s largest outsourcing companies with 37,000 employees, call centre business now accounts for just one-fifth of company revenue, says chief operating officer Tiger Tyagarajan.

    “It’s all about value added services,’ he says.

    For one western-based financial services company, Genpact’s employees produce daily sales decks.

    If the potential customer has leased a power plant, the financial services salesperson can immediately access information such as the lease rate and when it expires. “They spend less time researching and more time selling,” Tyagarajan says.

    Told of Rungsung’s cunning, Tyagarajan nodded and said it’s become widespread practice among smaller industry players.

    By contrast, Genpact’s call centre employees would try a different tactic. For instance, if they were phoning a customer in Boston who was overdue on paying their credit-card debt, they might start the call by saying that while the were calling from New Delhi, they were aware of a recent storm in the Boston area which might have caused the client to miss making their payment.

    Back in Noida, Manoj Kumar Singh sits next to Rungsung and is similarly midway through his shift. The two started work at 6:30 p.m. and took a break around 10:30 for a piece of pizza. They make their last call to a customer each night at around 3:30 a.m.

    Over the course of their shift, they figure to make 400-plus calls and speak to at least 20 or 30 potential customers everywhere from California to Florida.

    Singh says some customers have asked him to become “friends” on the social networking website Facebook so he’s set up a fake profile using the name Darius Black, a name he also uses during sales calls.

    “You really do have some people out there who just want to talk,” Singh says. “If it helps make the sale we do it.”


    Those sneaky Indians.
    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

  • #2
    Ha, you saw that in E&OA too. I was just reading that thread.
    The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

    The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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    • #3
      It was hilarious when they first started those types of deception. They would pretend their names were typical American names. I asked one rep what his name was and in a heavy Indian accent replied. John Wayne. I started laughing so hard I didn't even hear if he added Gacy to the end of that.
      It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
      RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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      • #4
        Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
        I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. Sure

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        • #5
          when i used to work in a solicitors office i had to phone banks with indian call centres and they used to lie about their names. i had a good way of dealing with it though.

          "hello, this HSBC bank, you are speaking with michael [for example], can i take your name please sir"
          "yeah sure mate, this is ravi..."

          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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          • #6
            At our house, we've taken to just letting the answering machines pick up whatever calls come in on either line. If it's someone we know they leave a message and we call them back. Can't remember the last time I bothered answering the landlines.
            The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

            The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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            • #7
              Haven't had a land line in 6 years.

              Problem solved.
              "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
              "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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              • #8
                Originally posted by DRoseDARs View Post
                Ha, you saw that in E&OA too. I was just reading that thread.
                HEY!@ Where the hell have you been?

                Also: Calgary Most trustworthy people on the planet.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  I fell into a gloryhole and didn't want to crawl back out. /joke

                  Sheesh, I haven't posted here since Christmas ... 2008! And I remember exactly what the last topic I participated in was: Rick Warren being invited to speak at Obama's inauguration. Canary in the mineshaft, that was...
                  The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                  The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                  • #10
                    tOggLecHApS

                    Tricksy call center employees.

                    A friend, who worked in one for a while, used to say his name was jesus
                    Indifference is Bliss

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                    • #11
                      Gee-sus or Hay-soos? Either could be fun...
                      The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                      The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                      • #12
                        I'm going to get a call center job and pretend to be Indian.
                        Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                        • #13
                          I worked for a while in a call center, I didn't talk, I chatted with americans, they would send text messages to me with their cell phones, I would pretend to be a hot chick and give them tips on how to improve their relationships

                          real story
                          I need a foot massage

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                          • #14
                            I do that too, but I don't work in a call center.
                            “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
                            "Capitalism ho!"

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                            • #15
                              Calling your mother multiple times on Mother's Day doesn't count as working in a call center. Stop lying, Oedipus. /joke
                              The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                              The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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