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    My key board doesn't have that ugly "B" found on the failed side of the Germanic language family () but I would still like to discuss Nazi era Greater Germany. That is those territories claimed by Nazi Germany as part of the Greater German Empire. Here is a map:



    As you can see Nazi occupied Poland is part of it (Sorry, Polish frog King) as is Slovenia along with (as one might expect) Austria, Alice-Lorraine, Schleswig-Holstein, the Sudetenland, and slavic Czechia (which like Slovenia had been under Austrian rule for hundreds of years). I think we can agree that Prussia, Alice-Lorraine, Austria, Schleswig-Holstein, and the Sudetenland were ethnic German while the others were not. Czechia and Slovenia were not ethnic German but had long been under German control while the Warsaw mandate Poland had not. I'm not sure about the ethnic make up of Memel, at the time, but I'm sure Saras will in inform us.

    Sadly, the tiny Slovenian coast had been given to Italy since Germany did not have a Mediterranean naval force.

    Interestingly, in the 19th century Kleindeutsche Lösung (lesser German solution) meant a Germany without Austria while Großdeutsche Lösung (Greater German solution) meant a Germany with Austria and the Nazis played on this old 19th century idea of Austria being part of Greater Germany. My question is how justified was Germany to want to unify all ethnic Germans, also was it reasonable to want to unify those areas which were long under German control (both ethic German as well as Slovene and Czech), and what do you think about those areas which were not long under German control (western Poland and possibly Memel [memel used to be part of Germany but I don't know the ethnic make up of memel at the time])? Which parts are/were justified and which parts are/were not?
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  • #2
    I kind of think Danzig (the WW1 Polish corridor) was justified as most people living there were ethnic Germans. This was, of course, unacceptable to the allies because it would mean Poland would have not access to the sea.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
      Alice-Lorraine
      It's 2:33am on a Thursday night and an Oerdin post, so I spent approximately 1 second skimming the post and instantly found an Oerdinism.

      I think you mean Alsace-Lorraine.
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      • #4
        Purely for back ground information this is a map of Germany at the start of WW1.



        Austria-Hungary was an empire to the Southeast of Germany but which was dominated by ethnic Germans. In the 19th century German nationalists wanted it to become part of German but the Austrians, although ethnic Germans, had a large multicultural empire of their own and didn't want to give up their Empire. Briefly, (1917-1918) Austria-Hungary and Germany agreed to merge when their ruling monarchs died but WW1 ended before that happened so the merger never happened while the allies were keen on making sure the German states didn't become consolidated in central Europe. Do you think that would have been justified? Do you think that would have been justified if the non-ethnic German parts were allowed independence?
        Last edited by Dinner; April 16, 2010, 02:26.
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        • #5
          Alice-Lorraine is a trampy 1930s American housewife...true or false?
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          • #6
            Ahhh the good old days.

            edit: oh and you forgot luxembourg!

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            • #7
              11:30 something or rather by now 11:40 something.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                Ahhh the good old days.

                edit: oh and you forgot luxembourg!
                Yeah, should have been included but forgotten.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Asher View Post
                  It's 2:33am on a Thursday night and an Oerdin post, so I spent approximately 1 second skimming the post and instantly found an Oerdinism.

                  I think you mean Alsace-Lorraine.

                  You beat me to it.
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                  • #10
                    Oh, shut up and answer the question.
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                    • #11
                      Also, it's not that hard to type Großdeutschland.
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                      • #12
                        Großdeutschland
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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                        • #13
                          It is on my key board. So stop cutting and pasting.
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                          • #14
                            Yep, that was easy™
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                            • #15
                              The idea was to kill or at least expel all the Poles to create "living space" for the ethnic Germans. The idealized Nazi society was actually an agrarian one: to allow the citizens to get in touch with their roots. Of course, they would need alot more land to accomplish this, and Poland was right next door. And since they considered Poles to be less than human, the annexation was completely justified from the Nazi perspective.
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