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  • #61
    Originally posted by Asher View Post
    Dude, 19th century Japanese history is way more interesting than US politics.
    +1

    People literally jerk off to the Meji restoration and Japan's rapid modernisation in the late 19th century.
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
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    • #62
      Originally posted by Rafe View Post
      I actually think communism or socialism can't work but that those that want to enter into that sort of arrangement should even if it reduces efficiency globally. I'm a great advocate of socialism for socialists. I just don't want to be forcibly integrated into their hyper-egalitarian social order, and i certainly don't believe democracy is a valid tool for deciding if the minority should be forced into it.
      But isn't this outcome more or less unavoidable in the medium term? How can anyone escape the global march of positive rights towards a egalitarian nightmare scenario. Don't they (positive rights) appeal quite strongly to most people's desires and don't humans due to biases from our ancestral enivornment downplay freerider problems when dealing with groups of more than a few dozen people? The crowds in all their wisdom haven't ever opted for any other method of aggregating information except when they have subscribed to idolatrous adoration of individuals who consider themselves "chosen" in the sense that you use. Past behavior in this regard seem a rather good indicator of future behavior except now the world is much smaller.
      Last edited by Heraclitus; March 22, 2010, 16:18.
      Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
      The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
      The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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      • #63
        People literally jerk off to the Meji restoration and Japan's rapid modernisation in the late 19th century.



        I personally find the Taika Reforms more interesting than the Meiji ones.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by Rafe View Post
          I actually think communism or socialism can't work but that those that want to enter into that sort of arrangement should even if it reduces efficiency globally. I'm a great advocate of socialism for socialists. I just don't want to be forcibly integrated into their hyper-egalitarian social order, and i certainly don't believe democracy is a valid tool for deciding if the minority should be forced into it.
          Why should the majority be forced into capitalism?
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          • #65
            Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
            Why should the majority be forced into capitalism?
            Its not like he has any real power to anything about it either way. And he clearly states he is in favor of people being allowed to do so, I don't quite understand what you mean here.
            Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
            The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
            The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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            • #66
              Well is he in favor of democracy or not?
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                Well is he in favor of democracy or not?
                Are you saying something horrible happens if one lets the minority who doesn't want socialism to leave the socialist society?
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                  Are you saying something horrible happens if one lets the minority who doesn't want socialism to leave the socialist society?
                  Would something horrible would happen if the majority, who don't like capitalism, left their capitalist country?
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                  • #69
                    This thread is disgusting. Can't you find any commie cats or something?
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
                      Why should the majority be forced into capitalism?
                      Ehrmn, have you asked this majority about it ?
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                        Ehrmn, have you asked this majority about it ?
                        Try reading the post he was quoting.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by gribbler View Post
                          Try reading the post he was quoting.

                          Well, I actually did - did you ?
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                            This thread is disgusting. Can't you find any commie cats or something?
                            Yes, it's well known that you start disgusting threads.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                              Well, I actually did - did you ?
                              Rafe:
                              "I actually think communism or socialism can't work but that those that want to enter into that sort of arrangement should even if it reduces efficiency globally. I'm a great advocate of socialism for socialists. I just don't want to be forcibly integrated into their hyper-egalitarian social order, and i certainly don't believe democracy is a valid tool for deciding if the minority should be forced into it."
                              Kidicious quotes Rafe and responds:
                              Why should the majority be forced into capitalism?

                              Synopsis: Rafe says that democratically implemented socialism would not be right because it would be wrong to force socialism on the minority. Kidicious sees capitalism as something that is imposed and, given this view, believes that Rafe wishes that capitalism be imposed regardless of whether the majority wants it or not, and asks why in order to point out a perceived flaw in Rafe's post.

                              Maybe I've misinterpreted something but to me it seems that what Kidicious posted in no way implied that he believed "the majority" currently desires an alternative to capitalism. It seems to me you are challenging a statement that was never made.

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                              • #75
                                The minority are forced to go along with most everything the majority decides in a democracy, excepting previously reserved rights a la the First Amendment. Why should communism be considered any different, in principle, from taxes or traffic rules? Is it just the scope of the imposition that makes it unfair to impose?
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