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    NATO liberated a 'city' that doesn't exist

    Last Updated on Wednesday, 10 March 2010 16:53 Wednesday, 10 March 2010 07:02
    Written by Chris Nineham

    For weeks the international media has been excitably reporting on NATO's campaign to capture or liberate the 'city' of Marjah in Helmand, southern Afghanistan. But Marjah, it appears, does not exist.


    US Troops in Marjah

    In a long running narrative, the world was told that the occupying forces had shown their concern for the local people by encouraging them to leave the city before it was taken from the remaining 'insurgent forces'.

    The extraordinary extent of the fiction that seems to have been sold to the world via an ever willing media now stands exposed.


    Marjah, it appears, does not exist. An official from the International Security Assistance Force in Afghanistan (ISAF), who asked not to be identified, first raised questions marks about the situation on the weekend when he told a journalist at Counterpunch in the US that Marjah was 'not urban at all', rather he described it as a 'rural community', ' a collection of village farms, with typical family compounds'.

    Other experts have confirmed the view of the ISAF insider. Richard B. Scott, who worked in Marjah as an adviser on irrigation for the U.S. Agency for International Development, agrees that Marjah has nothing that could be mistaken as being urban. It is an "agricultural district" with a "scattered series of farmers' markets," he said.

    NATO sources have been quoted saying Marjah had a population of 80,000. The capure of the city has been portrayed as the centrepiece of the 'successful' and extremely high profile recent offensive dubbed 'Operation Moshtaraq'.

    But the ISAF official said the only population numbering tens of thousands associated with Marjah is spread across many villages and almost 200 square kilometres, or about 125 square miles. At the moment Marjah is not even officially recognised as an area, let alone being anything approaching a city. At the centre of the area there is a location where farmers gather for markets, but the only permanent features of the spot are a mosque and a few shops.

    'Spinning' out of control

    According to Gareth Porter, writing on Counterpunch, the earliest references in news stories to Marjah as a city with a large population have a common origin in a briefing given on February 2 by officials at Camp Leatherneck, the U.S. Marine base there.

    The media fell into line at once. The Associated Press published an article the same day quoting "Marine commanders" as saying that they expected 400 to 1,000 insurgents to be "holed up" in the "southern Afghan town of 80,000 people."

    The decision to turn Marjah into a city and make it the central objective of "Operation Moshtarak" would not have been made independently by the Marines at Camp Leatherneck.

    A central task of "information operations" in counterinsurgency wars is "establishing the COIN [counterinsurgency] narrative", according to the Army Counterinsurgency Field Manual as revised under Gen. David Petraeus in 2006. The manual notes that this narrative should be determined at HQ, not in the field.

    Military officials have been quite clear about the propaganda importance of operation Moshtaraq. Just before the Marjah offensive was launched, Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, commander of ISAF went on record as saying "This is all a war of perceptions."

    The Washington Post reported Feb. 22 that the decision to launch the offensive against Marjah was intended largely to impress US public opinion with the effectiveness of the US military in Afghanistan by showing that it could achieve a "large and loud victory."

    What neither the military nor the media have admitted is that this propaganda war would go so far as to invent cities in order to liberate them.


    Check out the map! No City.
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  • #2
    "This is all a war of perceptions."
    And are we perceived as liars?

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    • #3
      You're just gullible. Military leaders are the liars.

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        What?

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        • #5
          Does it really matter if it's a city or a rural area that is liberated ?

          The real problem is the journalists that apparently didn't had a clue about what they were reporting.
          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

          Steven Weinberg

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          • #6
            Are they saying it is officially a town and not a city or something?
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • #7
              No, it's a rural area, a collection of small villages, which both the military and the media presented as being a city of 80,000 people.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Richelieu View Post
                Due east of Lake Puzak, unless they say the lake doesn't exist either.
                They may say Afghanistan doesn't exist.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  I really don't get it. An area consisting of some 80.0000 inhabitants is confused to be a city ? What is the problem ?
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                  • #10
                    Compare Los Angeles and NYC. Good comparison.

                    NYC: 305 square miles
                    LA: 469.1 square miles

                    NYC has a buttload more people.
                    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                    • #11
                      I guess that you are trying to express something - I'm just not sure what
                      With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                      Steven Weinberg

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Richelieu View Post
                        Looks like there actually is a Marjah. What's che talking about?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                          I guess that you are trying to express something - I'm just not sure what
                          That people don't have to be living on top of each other for it to be considered a community.


                          DD, that's the whole point. Che bringing in crap and throwing it around to see if it sticks.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Do 80,000 people live in the area?
                            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                            • #15
                              I think I'm going to back up on this one.
                              This says essentially the same thing as Che's article.
                              Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                              "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                              He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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