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    Iceland stares into Icesave abyss
    The island now staring at twin crises, one economic and the other political, after failing to strike new deal on repaying debts to Britain, the Netherlands

    Simon Johnson
    Stockholm — Reuters
    Published on Friday, Feb. 26, 2010 11:50AM EST

    Iceland is now staring at twin crises, one economic and the other political, after it failed to strike a new deal on repaying debts to Britain and the Netherlands.

    As long as the so-called Icesave dispute hangs over the island, it can expect the economy to be starved of cash. Add to that the chance of political instability as the government has to take responsibility for a mess which will leave Icelandic taxpayers with a huge bill for years to come.

    “Nobody dares invest anything in Iceland until this issue is resolved,” said Danske Bank senior analyst Lars Christensen.

    Talks collapsed this week on a new deal to replace one agreed late last year, which proved to be deeply unpopular on the island. Britain and the Netherlands say Iceland owes them more than $5-billion after they compensated savers who lost money in Icelandic “Icesave” deposit accounts.

    A referendum has been scheduled for March 6 on the old accord, and it is expected to be soundly rejected. Angry Icelanders believe the terms are unduly harsh.

    Had a new agreement been forged, Reykjavik might have been able to get financial aid flowing again.

    But now, Iceland will be unable to prop up its sagging economy, which contracted around 7.7 per cent last year and is likely to shrink again this year.

    In the longer term, Iceland faces the risk of default on its foreign debt, the bulk of which falls due in 2011, extending the country's exclusion from overseas financial markets and prolonging the current recession.

    “If this is not solved by then (2011) the risk of default would increase, but that's a long time from now,” said Mats Olausson, chief emerging markets strategist at Swedish bank SEB.

    Iceland's banking system and currency collapsed in late 2008, plunging the country into recession and leaving it dependent on international aid.

    Repeated attempts to solve the spat with the British and the Dutch have failed and foreign capital has dried up as a result.

    Rating agencies have already downgraded Iceland's foreign currency rating sharply and Moody's Investors Service warned on Friday that Iceland's ratings were under pressure following the breakdown of talks.

    Fitch already rates Iceland paper as “junk.”

    Foreign currency borrowing totals around 355 billion crowns ($2.78-billion), according to the central bank's website, though this does not include the debt to Britain and the Netherlands, nor money from the IMF aid package.

    Icelandic Prime Minister Johanna Sigurdardottir held out hope on Friday that a deal might still be reached.

    But time is running out ahead of the referendum. Analysts say that vote could bring down Iceland's ruling coalition, sparking a political crisis.

    “If there is a ‘no' vote on March 6, it's not a necessity that the government would step down, but their position would be seriously damaged. And I don't think there is an immediately viable alternative,” SEB's Mr. Olausson said.

    The largest opposition group, the Independence party, is widely blamed for the 2008 crash, while the popularity of the Social Democrats and Left-Green government has taken a beating over the handling of the Icesave issue.

    Political uncertainty is also rife in Britain and the Netherlands. The Dutch government collapsed last week and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown is widely expected to lose a general election to be held before June.

    Despite all the difficulties, however, analysts expect a deal to be reached before Iceland runs out of cash.

    Britain and the Netherlands want their money and are sensitive to accusations of bullying. For Iceland, a new deal is a must, though it is likely to be a bitter pill to swallow whatever the final terms.

    “There is only one way forward for Iceland here, and that's extreme austerity,” Danske's Mr. Christensen said.

    Britain has already warned the country it faces financial isolation unless it accepts its Icesave responsibilities.

    What a deal would acceptable to all three would look like, however, no one knows.

    I'm wondering how this works. Icelandic banks failed and the governments of GB and Netherlands saved depositors in their respective countries.

    Why would they then expect Icelandic taxpayers to pay them back?

    Has the government of India presented the US taxpayer with a bill for Union Carbide?

    I'm genuinely curious. What gives foreign governments a claim against the citizens of a state when a corporation goes boom, or causes a large kaboom?
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    I might be wrong, but I guess that this is the retaliation of lost cod wars.

    The dutch support is probably due to an assertation on wich country that is most likely to invade in lack of suport.

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    • #3
      Thanks, but that's not really very helpful.

      I was hoping that someone who knows the gory details might point me in the right direction to understanding a legitimate claim on the taxpayers of Iceland.

      Or, someone else might point out that Euros are being tuuats, and be able to explain why.
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      • #4
        I'm sure it will be life changing.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
          Thanks, but that's not really very helpful.
          Well, the Dutch part was probably a bit speculative, but the "cod war" reason is as far as I know not fantasy
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          • #6
            What do the Dutch and Brits have against Iceland over cod?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
              What do the Dutch and Brits have against Iceland over cod?
              Nono, the dutch are innocent - though the brits :



              Edit: No offense, but you seem to grow into a typical yankiee that doesn't know about the rest of the world

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              • #8
                You silly Dane. When you say Cod War, I think Danny Williams.

                It is just like an American to be so conceited that he thinks everyone is should be familiar with the things that interest him.
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                • #9

                  Well I guess that Danny Williams also claim that Hans Ø is canadian
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                  • #10
                    Damn straight!
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                    • #11
                      May I suggest that you do the canuck way an hug a tree
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                      • #12
                        Danny Williams is pretty serious about killing trees.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                          Danny Williams is pretty serious about killing seals.

                          FTFY.

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                          Hans Island is part of Greater Canada forever. Give it up Danish fools.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                            I'm wondering how this works. Icelandic banks failed and the governments of GB and Netherlands saved depositors in their respective countries.

                            Why would they then expect Icelandic taxpayers to pay them back?
                            When the banks failed, the governments stepped in to guarantee deposits. So when the British government bailed out RBS, Northern Rock and Lloyds Banking Group, it safeguarded all investors. It didn't go "OK, we'll safeguard the British investors, but no foreign ones."

                            Iceland, however, wants to play the "let's get out of safeguarding the foreign investors who have built our economy" game. If they do that, they'll avoid the bad austerity measures they'll have to take, but they'll be financial outcasts.
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                            • #15
                              But why should the people of Iceland fund the deposit insurance schemes of foreign jurisdictions?
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