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    ST. JOHN'S, N.L. -- Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

    Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.

    "He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done," said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.

    "In consultation with his own doctors, he's decided to go that route."

    Mr. Williams' decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada's health-care system.

    "It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province," said Ms. Dunderdale, refusing to answer whether the procedure could be done elsewhere in Canada.

    Mr. Williams, 59, has said nothing of his health in the media.

    "The premier has made a commitment that once he's through this procedure and he's well enough, he's going to talk about the whole process and share as much detail with you as he's comfortable to do at that time," she said.

    Ms. Dunderdale wouldn't say where in the U.S. Mr. Williams is seeking treatment.

    A popular Progressive Conservative premier, Mr. Williams has also seen his share of controversy. During the 2008 federal election, Mr. Williams vehemently opposed the Conservative government, launching his "Anything But Conservative" -- which has been credited with keeping the Tories from winning any seats in the province.

    He's also drawn criticism for his support of the seal hunt.

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    From what I've heard he could get the surgery done in Canada, just not in his home province (which is a ****hole ). He was just too proud to do so.

    He spent his entire political career waging war on the rest of Canada, so he's not going to go use their hospitals.

    You have to understand, Newfoundland is a tiny province. The entire province has 500,000 people.
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    • #3
      Maybe. It still makes Canada's NHS look like a ****pile.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by David Floyd View Post
        Maybe. It still makes Canada's NHS look like a ****pile.
        You clearly have no ****ing idea what you're talking about.

        Canada doesn't have a NHS. It's a provincial thing.

        Newfoundland was, until recently, a perpetually poor, very tiny province full of fishermen only. The provincial health care system will not have the state of the art equipment for specialized illnesses because of its small size.

        He could get this treatment in a neighboring province, which is still covered by his province, but he chose not to. Likely for political reasons.

        Danny Williams is quite notorious in the rest of Canada. This is no different than someone in a small town going to a nearby big city for treatment. The fact that it was in the US and not Canada is because he's a politician with an axe to grind.
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        • #5
          I don't think anyone, not even Canadians, disagrees with the fact that America has the best healthcare system in the world for people who can afford it.
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            I don't think anyone, not even Canadians, disagrees with the fact that America has the best healthcare system in the world for people who can afford it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
              I don't think anyone, not even Canadians, disagrees with the fact that America has the best healthcare system in the world for people who can afford it.
              Yes, the way the system is set up the world's best doctors (leaders in the field) go to the US because of the pay. If you have the money, you can go do it.

              Canada's health care system is about establishing a minimum standard of care for everyone. You still have the option of getting "better" treatment elsewhere if you have the money.

              This really is a success of Canada's system. It's not like the poor people in the US can come to Canada for treatment. Canada gets the best of both worlds.

              Floyd's troll: fail.
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              • #8
                Floyd's troll: fail.



                Especially since he thinks I'm supporting his stupid argument.
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                • #9
                  Canada's health care system is about establishing a minimum standard of care for everyone.
                  Apparently, with the emphasis on minimum.

                  Also, in the US anyone can go to the ER. I'm not saying that's a great system, but it simply isn't true to say that the poor don't have access to medical treatment. Sure, they can't go to the doctor every time they have flu symptoms, but it's not as if, if they break their arm, that they will have to set it themselves.
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                  • #10
                    Drake, I don't think you're in any way supporting my argument.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by David Floyd View Post
                      Apparently, with the emphasis on minimum.

                      Also, in the US anyone can go to the ER. I'm not saying that's a great system, but it simply isn't true to say that the poor don't have access to medical treatment.
                      They don't have reasonable access to medical treatment.

                      They don't have reasonable access to preventative care. If they go to the ER and end up needing major surgery they might as well be dead because they'll spend the rest of their life paying outrageous bills.

                      Fact is, you've demonstrated profound ignorance of health care in Canada in this thread. It's people like you that are destroying America with your ignorance.

                      Keep it up.
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                      • #12
                        They don't have reasonable access to preventative care. If they go to the ER and end up needing major surgery they might as well be dead because they'll spend the rest of their life paying outrageous bills.
                        Major surgery isn't free, dude. If you want to utilize the expertise of surgeons, doctors, an nurses, using equipment worth millions of dollars, in a clean environment, then you should expect to pay for it.

                        And of course I'm ignorant on Canadian health care. My main point was that whatever the reason the Newfoundland Premier is coming to the US for surgery, he is damaging the appearance of socialized health care.
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                        • #13
                          Major surgery isn't free, dude.

                          It is for me.

                          And of course I'm ignorant on Canadian health care.

                          Thanks. Time to close this thread, then.
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                          • #14
                            It is for me.
                            And it is for Danny Williams, too. You claim that is decision is entirely political.

                            Of course, you have no way of knowing. Perhaps the "free" care to which you and he are entitled isn't all that great. Hmmm.
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                            • #15
                              I like this quote about Canadians and thier view of the American Health Care system vs thier own.
                              Anxiety about Americanization and the constantly reinforced strain of national pride in Canadian health care coexist[s] with considerable uneasiness about the actual state of that care. It is as if, when Canadians look south across the border they swell with pride, but when they look within they shrink back, seeing many problems and feeling uncertainty about the future.
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