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  • At least one state might be getting single payer health care.

    Since Obama's attempts to reform health care are no basically dead the California State Senate passed a bill today which promises to bring universal single payer health care to the Golden state. I'd have to see the details and the Assembly still has to pass it, though the bill is seen as more popular in the Assembly then the Senate so it is very likely to pass, but if it actually does bring down costs while providing universal coverage then it is a very good thing. The big problem is the Governator is promising to veto it and the bill only passed in the Senate 22-14 with four Senators chickening out and refusing to go on the record. That means it doesn't have the 2/3rds needed to over ride a veto.

    California Senate approves single-payer health care proposal despite governor's veto pledge

    SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — The California Senate approved creating a government-run health care system for the nation's most populous state on Thursday, ignoring a veto threat from Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    Supporters said it is time for state legislatures to take up the debate as the Obama Administration's national health care proposal falters in Congress.

    "If it's not to be done at the national level, let us take the lead," said state Sen. Christine Kehoe, D-San Diego.

    The move in California comes after Massachusetts voters changed the calculus in Congress by electing a Republican to the Senate who opposes the pending plan.

    Democrats are the majority in both houses of the California Legislature. The 40-member state Senate passed the single-payer plan on a 22-14 vote, sending it to the Assembly. One Democrat voted against the measure.

    Schwarzenegger promised to veto the proposal, as he has two similar plans that previously reached his desk. Spokeswoman Rachel Arrezola cited the state's massive budget cuts and looming $20 billion deficit in arguing the state cannot afford to shift to a single-payer health care system.

    "Any elected official who thinks it's a good idea to strap the state with tens of billions of dollars from a government-run health care system is clearly not in touch with what voters need and deserve," Arrezola said.

    The proposal by Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, authorizes $1 million to establish a commission that would decide how to pay for the system. The funding plan would ultimately have to be approved by voters.

    Leno argued the state-run plan would replace the $200 billion Californians already pay for their health care while eliminating insurance companies' share. He previously said the system could use existing state and federal money and a payroll tax, coupled with increased efficiencies from a government-run system.

    "We are spending $200 billion currently," Leno said. "It is the same $200 billion used in a more efficient, cost-effective fashion."

    Republicans derided the timing of the vote, saying Democrats are ignoring the lesson in Massachusetts at their political peril.

    "This plan is to the left and radical of what couldn't get out of Washington," said Sen. George Runner, R-Lancaster.

    Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said Republicans refused to support even a $14.7 billion health care reform bill that Schwarzenegger, a Republican, negotiated with Democratic leaders two years ago.

    "Not a single Republican vote — so what are you for?" asked Steinberg, a Democrat from Sacramento who usually strikes a conciliatory bipartisan tone. "The demagoguery needs to be answered and addressed."

    Schwarzenegger's proposal actually was undone by Democrat Don Perata, Steinberg's predecessor in the Senate, when he ordered a financial review that found the plan would be billions of dollars out of balance within a few years.


    The State has actually passed universal single payer twice before in recent years but both time Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed it so he'll likely follow through on his threat to do it again. Still, it is good to see some people in America pushing for a more intelligent and fair health care system.
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    I'm glad to know that California has solved its fiscal crisis and is flush with the necessary funds to pull this off.
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    • #3
      Good for California.
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      • #4
        10th amendment is a good thing, allows the states to be laboratories of efficiency

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Theben View Post
          I'm glad to know that California has solved its fiscal crisis and is flush with the necessary funds to pull this off.
          Indeed. I'm suprised I've been out of the news loop so long.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Theben View Post
            I'm glad to know that California has solved its fiscal crisis and is flush with the necessary funds to pull this off.
            Ditto. They can't pay their bills now. They still have blank checks though.
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            • #7
              They pay there bills just fine. As I said I'll need to read the fine print but if it actually lowers costs then it would be a good thing. Unfortunately, we probably won't get to find out since the Republican governor is saying he'll veto it.
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              • #8
                He'll veto it because he knows that California finances suck. Pay bills just fine?
                Do you want me to research how stupid that was to say?
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                • #9
                  Slowwhead, the main issue is passing the budget each year due to the 2/3rds rule however the state is very capable of borrowing money. It could also balance the budget via cuts or tax increases if it wasn't for the 2/3rds rule which is why even the Republican governor has called for a constitutional convention in order to get rid of the 2/3rds rule. Now, I know you like to ramble on about things you know nothing about but please scupper off back to your sewer before you have another heart attack.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                    ... the state is very capable of borrowing money.
                    For how much longer? Hell Louisiana's debt is considered a more trustworthy investment.
                    Standard & Poor's Lowers California's Debt Rating
                    by The Associated Press

                    January 13, 2010
                    A major credit-rating agency lowered California's debt rating Wednesday, putting pressure on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers to start tackling the state's $20 billion deficit.

                    Standard & Poor's lowered its rating on California's $64 billion general obligation debt one step, from "A" to "A-." The agency also dropped $9.4 billion in lease-revenue bonds three notches, from "A-" to "BBB-."

                    California had the lowest general obligation rating of any state when S&P dropped it from "A+" to "A" in February 2009. Fitch and Moody's, two other rating firms, have followed with their own downgrades.

                    S&P's lowered ratings are still investment grade, but they could reduce investor demand for California's debt and raise the cost to taxpayers of borrowing money. Last year, the state treasurer's office estimated that if agencies downgraded $53.3 billion in general obligation bonds to "BBB+," it would increase the state's long-term borrowing costs by $7.5 billion.

                    The financial markets are reacting to another round of budget problems in California.

                    S&P warned that the state is once again facing cash shortages in March and July, and it questioned some of the governor's budget proposes, including one to cover the low cash period in March with $1 billion in as-yet-undetermined solutions.

                    The agency worries that Schwarzenegger's proposal to close the deficit relies too much on federal help and underestimates the difficulty of getting voters and lawmakers to agree to his plan.

                    "We believe that ... uncertain assumptions for major portions of the budget balancing proposal make the state's credit more susceptible to adverse economic or other developments," S&P wrote.

                    The governor's finance spokesman, H.D. Palmer, said the agency's action underscores the need for the Legislature to act quickly.

                    "If the Legislature acts on the governor's special session proposals, nearly half of that gap can be closed," Palmer said in a statement. "The governor looks forward to working with the Legislature to start taking the tough but necessary steps to bring our budget back into balance."

                    General obligation bonds are loans approved by voters and paid back through general taxes. Lease-revenue bonds are used for capital outlay. They don't require voter approval and are paid back by the state departments using the facility.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                      Slowwhead, the main issue is passing the budget each year due to the 2/3rds rule however the state is very capable of borrowing money. It could also balance the budget via cuts or tax increases if it wasn't for the 2/3rds rule which is why even the Republican governor has called for a constitutional convention in order to get rid of the 2/3rds rule. Now, I know you like to ramble on about things you know nothing about but please scupper off back to your sewer before you have another heart attack.
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                      • #12
                        Don't take it so personal, Sloww.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Theben View Post
                          I'm glad to know that California has solved its fiscal crisis and is flush with the necessary funds to pull this off.


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                          • #14
                            How would you expect it to be taken, DaShi? I realize the two of you are peas in a pod, so you probably can't see it.
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                            • #15
                              Stop stalking me!!!
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