Big drop in UK homicide stats

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

It's also worth mentioning this point from the methodology-

The introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard (NCRS) by police forces on 1 April 2002
brought in a more victim-focused reporting system, where victim accounts had to be accepted unless
there was credible evidence to the contrary. While no estimates were calculated to assess the effect of
this new standard on the number of firearm offences recorded, it is known that this change inflated the
overall number of violence against the person and criminal damage offences but had less effect on the
number of robberies (see Simmons et al., 2003). Due to this change, it is not possible to directly
compare figures prior to 2002/03 with those for later years.

[David Floyd]

Clearly, banning guns doesn't decrease crime. Y'all banned guns years ago, and had a record drop in murder last year. Humph, guess that's not it...

[Japher]

Maybe it was the ban on bullets, and they're just now running out

[David Floyd]

More likely, they just banned crime.

[OzzyKP]

That's for all of England and Wales, so a population in the region of 50 million.

Well done!

[Kitschum]

Is CCTV supposed to help prevent crime, or help solve crime? A stat touted by the Met is that 70% of murders are solved with the assistance for CCTV. I don't know what level the assistance is or whether those crimes would have been solved in their absence.

I see what you mean, but in the long run if it solving crime doesn't help prevent it why should we bother with solving it?

CCTV is probably a good tool to fight/solve certain crimes, but I guess the argument is whether is the most effective use of resources. Is there an exaggerated faith in CCTV and does it hinder other crime-reducing strategies, such as ones that work against the causes of crime rather than the symptoms. That's all apart from making your country seem like a police state with no respect for privacy, of course.

[Kitschum]

It's also worth mentioning this point from the methodology-

The introduction of the National Crime Recording Standard (NCRS) by police forces on 1 April 2002 brought in a more victim-focused reporting system, where victim accounts had to be accepted unless there was credible evidence to the contrary. While no estimates were calculated to assess the effect of this new standard on the number of firearm offences recorded, it is known that this change inflated the overall number of violence against the person and criminal damage offences but had less effect on the number of robberies (see Simmons et al., 2003). Due to this change, it is not possible to directly compare figures prior to 2002/03 with those for later years.

See, this is second post is more helpful. You take a **** in between posts?

So from that, I take it that "recorded" really means reported and that it is unknown how this affected the statistics, although it is implied that they all things equal they should be expected to rise. Interestingly, in the graph (in the article), there seems to be a drop off point in "murders by shooting" coinciding exactly with the adoption of the new reporting system (2002/03).

Now, it would be intersting to know if there are other alternative ways of "checking" the statistics based on reported crime, like for instance are there any statistics available on cause of death in the population? These should be gathered separately and conceivably be more accurate than crime stats whicha re notoriously misused.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Now, it would be intersting to know if there are other alternative ways of "checking" the statistics based on reported crime, like for instance are there any statistics available on cause of death in the population? These should be gathered separately and conceivably be more accurate than crime stats whicha re notoriously misused.

I can refute that assertion with just three words.

Dr. Harold. Shipman.