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    Businessman sues BA 'for treating men like perverts'

    A businessman is suing British Airways over a policy that bans male passengers from sitting next to children they don't know - even if the child's parents are on the same flight.

    Mirko Fischer has accused the airline of branding all men as potential sex offenders and says innocent travellers are being publicly humiliated.

    In line with the policy, BA cabin crew patrol the aisles before take-off checking that youngsters travelling on their own or in a different row from their parents are not next to a male stranger.

    If they find a man next to a child or teenager they will ask him to move to a different seat. The aircraft will not take off unless the passenger obeys.

    Mr Fischer, a 33-year-old hedge fund manager, became aware of the policy while he was flying from Gatwick with his wife Stephanie, 30.

    His wife, who was six months pregnant, had booked a window seat which she thought would be more spacious. Mr Fischer was in the middle seat between her and a 12-year-old boy.

    Shortly after all passengers had sat down, having stowed their bags in the overhead lockers, a male steward asked Mr Fischer to change his seat.

    Mr Fischer refused, explaining that his wife was pregnant, at which point the steward raised his voice, causing several passengers to turn round in alarm. He warned that the aircraft could not take off unless Mr Fischer obeyed.

    Mr Fischer eventually moved seats but felt so humiliated by his treatment that he is taking the airline to court on the grounds of sex discrimination-He is paying all his own legal

    If he wins at the hearing next month at Slough County Court, BA will have to change its policy.

    He has promised to donate any compensation to the NSPCC.

    Mr Fischer, who lives in Luxembourg with his wife and their daughter Sophia, said: 'This policy is branding all men as perverts for no reason. The policy and the treatment of male passengers is absolutely outrageous.

    'A plane is a public place - cabin crew regularly walk down the aisles and passengers are sat so close to each other. The risk of any abuse is virtually zero.

    'Furthermore statistically children are far more likely to be abused by a member of their family. Does that mean that BA are going to ban children sitting next to their own parents?'

    'I was made to feel like a criminal in front of other passengers. It was totally humiliating. Neither myself or my wife dared to speak to the boy in case the cabin crew forced us from our seats. The poor child must have thought we were extremely rude and unfriendly.'

    Claude Knights, of the children's charity Kidscape said: 'The airline should have procedures in place to avoid this sort of situation.

    'If the airline is that concerned they should sit unaccompanied children with cabin crew who have no doubt been thoroughly vetted.'

    A BA spokesman said: 'As this is case is subject to court proceedings, it would be inappropriate for us to comment at this time.'
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  • #2
    Ridiculous policy. Obviously only gay men need to be kept from the children.
    Unbelievable!

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    • #3
      Male stewards
      Blah

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      • #4
        I'd say so long as the man wasn't a priest, chances are things will be OK.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Boris Godunov View Post
          I'd say so long as the man wasn't a priest, chances are things will be OK.

          But the kiddy-diddling priests are gay to begin with. Target the disease, not the symptom.



          Come on, where's BK when you need him?
          Unbelievable!

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          • #6
            Now that's ridiculous. In Germany, you can't go to a playground without a child accompanying you, now you can't sit next to one on a plane in Britain? What's next, France forbidding adults to talk to children?
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            • #7
              Now the French Must Prove They're French

              By Bruce Crumley / Paris Sunday, Jan. 17, 2010


              Like his father before him, French publisher, author and political commentator Eric Naulleau was born into a military family assigned to a temporary foreign posting. But because his birth happened abroad, where his father — himself born in Lebanon to a French army father — was serving France's national interests, Naulleau has had to wage a long and surreal battle with the government to prove that he's actually a French citizen. Naulleau is just one of a growing number of French people born outside France or in the country to foreign parents who are now being told they must present documents supporting their nationality if they want to keep it.

              "What a lot of people don't realize is that with the increasingly strict obligation to prove your citizenship, you can walk into a state administration today to have your ID or passport renewed, and walk out virtually a stateless person," says Naulleau, 48, whose family had been posted to Baden-Baden, Germany — about 30 miles from the French border — when he was born in 1961. "The situation is creating a two-class system of citizenship in which French nationals born abroad or to foreign parents are treated as inferior, and forced to prove their worthiness of being French more than others." (See pictures of Bastille Day celebrations.)

              Why is this happening? For years, applicants for new passports and ID cards relied on their expiring documents to prove their identities and French nationality. But in the mid-1990s, the country started strengthening the verification requirements on suspicions that significant numbers of foreigners had made bogus claims of citizenship to obtain French passports. In the past few years, the rules have become even more stringent. According to the Justice Ministry, about 18,000 people, or 12% of all those who tried to renew their passports or ID cards, were rebuffed in 2007 because they didn't have irrefutable proof of nationality — up from 8,000 people, or 5%, in 2002.

              Authorities say they are merely making necessary updates to the nationality verification process — not an illogical move, they note, in a world where terrorism and identity theft has become more commonplace. Perhaps, detractors say, but those French citizens born overseas or in France to foreign-born parents are facing a trial that their peers are not. While the latter group can often rely on the French state to check official records to prove their citizenship, people born in former French colonies to naturalized immigrant parents or to French families abroad are being subjected to a paper chase that often leads to dead ends. Many fear they may lose their French nationality altogether.
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              • #8
                Many fear they may lose their French nationality altogether.
                Would've thought that a positive outcome for the person.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                  Target the disease, not the symptom
                  I agree, but we can't feasibly prohibit all religious people from sitting next to children.
                  Tutto nel mondo è burla

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                  • #10
                    Religious --> gay --> child molester --> Nazi

                    I'm confident that's the correct order of causality.
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                    • #11
                      WTF is taking Ben so long???
                      Unbelievable!

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                      • #12
                        "The situation is creating a two-class system of citizenship in which French nationals born abroad or to foreign parents are treated as inferior, and forced to prove their worthiness of being French more than others."
                        If the US had more stringent citizenship/nationality tests then we wouldn't have a foreign-born President today.

                        France is doing more to fight the war on terror than the US - they're banning terrorist fashion statements and they're making a preemptive strike against a foreign-born Muslim becoming their President. If only America had been so strident before the 2008 election
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                        • #13
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                          • #14
                            So what laws should the British government pass on this privately-owned company to dictate how they seat passengers?
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                            • #15
                              Sexual discrimination is illegal in most countries.
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