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  • Why Do Asian-Americans Confuse Nostalgia with Taste?

    Maybe this is a northeastern thing, but I've read too many lengthy articles about how an Asian-American laments the loss of their slop for "Americanized" food and feels priviledged because they can enjoy eating sewage runoff while "westerners" can't.

    The basic format of such an article goes like this:

    1. Adjective heavy description of local area around restaurant of choice
    2. Complaints about American food
    3. Discovering the filthiest rathole of an Asian-American restaurant.
    4. Loving, savoring, and having sex with the food, which is described in such a way that any sane personal would think they were eating the stuff a McDonalds would refuse to serve.
    5. Five paragraphs of cultural elitism.

    Every time I read one of these, I am reminded of the episode of "The Boondocks" on soul food:



    In the case of Chinese-Americans, their love for this kind of food comes from poverty and famine that their grandparents and parents experienced, where they had to make due with eating what they could. For that, I'll give the Chinese credit for coming up with some quite delicious cuisine, when prepared well. However, in the poorest settings, it is not prepared well at all. But for Asian-Americans, this is the food they grew up with. They love it like any person would love their own mother's cooking. It's normal, it's understandable, it's common. Yet, for some reason, Asian-Americans think that this makes them special.

    Having spent significant time in China, living on the cheap, I've gone to quite a few dumps of restaurants. In fact, I used to get take out regularly from one around the corner of where I lived in Hangzhou. I'm still digesting the chicken to this day. It was awful, sloppy, and smelled of garbage, but it was cheap. I learned to eat it and even like it in some ways. Upon returning to America, it became obvious to me that these dive restaurants praised by Asian-Americans were the exact same as my take-out place: awful. But since they grew up on this food and had spent so much time eating foreign food, they thought it was a culinary masterpiece. Myself, after months of living solely on cafeteria food at a Chinese University, going to a McDonalds in Shanghai felt like flavor paradise. However, I wouldn't go so far as to claim it haute cuisine, which is what too many Asian-Americans would do in that situation.

    Oh, and to completely troll Q: A Japanese-American would never do this.

    One final note, I am happy to say that I've just read a restaurant review by a Chinese-American concerning a local dump that has transformed into a respectable place for dining. And she still enjoys the food. Moreso, actually. How refreshing.
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    I always get a chuckle when friends and family rate the quality of a Chinese restaurant based on how authentic it is and how many Chinese customers it has. They are wrong for all the reasons you point out. More authentic food is chicken feet and parts of animals I couldn't even identify.

    Give me a fake, Americanized dish like General Tso's or Kung Pao Chicken any day.
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    • #3
      All Chinese restaurants around here taste the same.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
        I always get a chuckle when friends and family rate the quality of a Chinese restaurant based on how authentic it is and how many Chinese customers it has. They are wrong for all the reasons you point out. More authentic food is chicken feet and parts of animals I couldn't even identify.

        Give me a fake, Americanized dish like General Tso's or Kung Pao Chicken any day.
        One of the Chinese places I sometimes go for lunch has sea cucumber and jellyfish on the menu. I stick with the kung pao and the lo mein.
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        • #5
          They love it like any person would love their own mother's cooking.



          I hate my mother's cooking.
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          • #6
            My mother can't cook for ****. She managed to burn my chili despite the fact that her only instruction I left her was "leave it on low and stir it every 30 minutes".

            She turned it up to high so it would "cook faster".

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            • #7
              My mother sautes vegetables by heating a pot with vegetables on the bottom and butter on the top.
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              • #8
                Americans lack appreciation for tradition.

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                • #9
                  The Chinese are notorious for altering food. I'm not just thinking of the poisoned milk and the PCB contaminated pasta but also of crap like dumplings stuffed with bits of cardboard boxes and other such garbage. I love to eat local food when I travel but I try to avoid anything made in China. Sorry but it's just not sane or healthy to eat stuff made in China.
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                  • #10


                    There's the article. And it wasn't just one place but virtually all of them.

                    Chopped cardboard, softened with an industrial chemical and flavored with fatty pork and powdered seasoning, is a main ingredient in batches of steamed buns sold in one Beijing neighborhood, state television said.
                    Countless small, often illegally run operations exist across China and make money cutting corners by using inexpensive ingredients or unsavory substitutes. They are almost impossible to regulate.
                    The hidden camera follows the man, whose face is not shown, into a ramshackle building where steamers are filled with the fluffy white buns, traditionally stuffed with minced pork.

                    The surroundings are filthy, with water puddles and piles of old furniture and cardboard on the ground.

                    "What's in the recipe?" the reporter asks. "Six to four," the man says.

                    "You mean 60 percent cardboard? What is the other 40 percent?" asks the reporter. "Fatty meat," the man replies.

                    The bun maker and his assistants then give a demonstration on how the product is made.

                    Squares of cardboard picked from the ground are first soaked to a pulp in a plastic basin of caustic soda — a chemical base commonly used in manufacturing paper and soap — then chopped into tiny morsels with a cleaver. Fatty pork and powdered seasoning are stirred in.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                      Oh, and to completely troll Q: A Japanese-American would never do this.
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                      • #12
                        Besides, Korean food, even when Americanized isn't slathered and drowned in so much interchangeable sauce like Chinese, which explains why it tastes better, is harder to find, and commands a definite price premium.

                        There's also the simple fact that if you do get to a restaurant, they look at you with surprise and hope you speak Korean, 'cause otherwise you gonna get served ****.
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                        • #13
                          LOL, one of the guys in China told me, "If it turns its eyes towards the sun, we will eat it."

                          They were not lying. I've tried all sorts of strange things while in China.

                          To me the best places are the little holes in the walls (in China) that serve either noodles or dumplings (or both).

                          I'll try most things with the following rules:

                          1. If it tastes good, I'll eat it and ask for more.
                          2. If it tastes okay, I'll eat it and sample it a bit more.
                          3. If it tastes bad and I can swallow it, I will, not will not ask for more, and hopefully not receive anymore from a gracious host/ess.
                          4. If it tastes really, really bad. I will insist that they don't give me anymore.

                          Top 5 worst foods in China so far.
                          1. Shark eggs (sliced and dropped in a hot pot)
                          2. The black (1000 year) eggs. (I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit).
                          3. Scrambled tadpoles with eggs (for lunch no less)
                          4. The Nanjing specialty. Chrysanthemum leaves soup (since I was the honored western guest, I had to gag this down twice). You can create this locally by taking your lawn clippings and dumping them in a can of chicken broth; heat and serve.
                          5. pig's feet (just too many freaking bones for me).

                          It took me a few times to try jellyfish, but it is not that bad. The other thing that is missing in the US is the variety of green vegetables, most of which are really tasty. I also think the Chinese garlic is top notch, not as strong as the US stuff.
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                          • #14
                            Its always feels weird living in Korea to walk out of a Thai place because "there's no white people here, this place must SUCK."



                            The appeal of the grubby places is that if a place is grubby the only reason people are going there is the food and because most of the locals will stay away. For example in Korea if you want American-style diner food if you go to a nice looking place it'll be TGIF-fare and if you go to a crappy little hole in the wall full of white people, it'll probably be pretty damn good.
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                            • #15
                              It's not just the Chinese. 1st-gen Asians in general are so tuned into their own ethnic food they can't stomach anything else. Not that they can't eat other Asian food- just that they won't try Mexican or Greek or anything else.
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