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    By DAN ELLIOTT, Associated Press Writer Dan Elliott, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 2 mins ago
    DENVER – A Colorado woman says a Christmas miracle brought her and her newborn son back from the brink of death after her heart stopped beating during childbirth and the baby was delivered showing no signs of life.

    "I got a second chance in life," Tracy Hermanstorfer said.

    Hermanstorfer, 33, was being prepped for childbirth at Memorial Hospital in Colorado Springs Thursday morning. Her 37-year-old husband was by her side when she began to feel sleepy and laid back in her bed.

    "She literally stopped breathing and her heart stopped," her husband, Mike, told The Associated Press. Pandemonium erupted as doctors and nurses tried to revive her with chest compressions and a breathing tube, but nothing worked.

    "I was holding her hand when we realized she was gone," Mike Hermanstorfer said. "My entire life just rolled out."

    Doctors told him, "We're going to take your son out now. We have been unable to revive her and we're going to take your son out," he recalled.

    After the Cesarean section, some of the team rushed his wife to the operating room while the others attended to Coltyn. They handed him to Mike Hermanstorfer, who said the baby was "absolutely lifeless."

    "My legs went out from underneath me," Hermanstorfer said. "I had everything in the world taken from me, and in an hour and a half I had everything given to me."

    The doctors went to work on Coltyn as Hermanstorfer held him, and soon he began to breath.

    "His life began in my hands," Hermanstorfer said. "That's a feeling like none other. Life actually began in the palm of my hands."

    Stephanie Martin, a maternal fetal medicine specialist at the hospital, said Tracy Hermanstorfer's pulse returned even before she was wheeled out of the room and into surgery. She estimates Hermanstorfer had no heartbeat for about four minutes.

    "She had no signs of life. No heartbeat, no blood pressure, she wasn't breathing," said Martin, who had rushed to Hermanstorfer's room to help. "The baby was, it was basically limp, with a very slow heart rate."

    After their stunning recovery, both mother and the baby, named Coltyn, appear healthy with no signs of problems, Martin said.

    She said she cannot explain the mother's cardiac arrest or the recovery.

    "We did a thorough evaluation and can't find anything that explains why this happened," she said.

    Mike Hermanstorfer credits "the hand of God."

    "We are both believers ... but this right here, even a nonbeliever — you explain to me how this happened. There is no other explanation," he said.

    Asked about divine intervention, Martin said, "Wherever I can get the help, I'll take it."
    A Christmas Eve Miracle

    An amazing story!
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

  • #2
    I just read that article elsewhere.

    What would his explanation be if both mother and baby had died?
    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MrFun View Post
      An amazing story!

      ...ruined by a retarded thread title.
      Unbelievable!

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      • #4
        Spoiled brat from birth, instead making noises like every good new born the baby played dead to get more attention. No wonder, just like the mother
        Blah

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        • #5
          Don't be silly. God was making the baby appear dead so he could swoop in with His miracle and save the day. It's how God spends His time.
          "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
          "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Wezil View Post
            Don't be silly. God was making the baby appear dead so he could swoop in with His miracle and save the day. It's how God spends His time.
            He needs a better hobby. Perhaps stamp collecting?
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            • #7
              Hm, the limit of my medical expertise is what I learn through defending medical malpractice cases, we only defend ER doctors, and we haven't yet had a case involving a pregnant patient or newborn baby. Thus, the fact that I can't explain what happened MUST mean there is no rational explanation, and that in turn MUST mean there is a god. Oh, happy day!
              Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Thoth View Post
                He needs a better hobby. Perhaps stamp collecting?

                Where's the excitement in that? With His current hobby God can get the faithful excited.
                "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                  Where's the excitement in that? With His current hobby God can get the faithful excited.

                  Getting the faithful excited is what internet porn is for.
                  Libraries are state sanctioned, so they're technically engaged in privateering. - Felch
                  I thought we're trying to have a serious discussion? It says serious in the thread title!- Al. B. Sure

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                  • #10
                    Real porn or some religious kind? What would religious porn look like?
                    "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                    "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                      What would religious porn look like?
                      “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                      - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BeBro View Post
                        Spoiled brat from birth, instead making noises like every good new born the baby played dead to get more attention. No wonder, just like the mother
                        ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
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                        • #13
                          A problem with believers and non-believers alike is the assumption that God works exclusively through irrational, fantastic, non-scientific means, and that all rational, scientifically observed phenomena have no room for God.

                          God has created the world around us and science is a tool for understanding the world around us. God works in and through the world, so his works and his deeds can, in one way or another, be understood by science.
                          Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

                          When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah

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                          • #14
                            Ozzy
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darius871 View Post
                              ...ruined by a retarded thread title.
                              What is wrong with asking the perspective of non-believers about this?

                              I would be curious as to any scientific explanation that a non-believer can provide.
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