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  • Originally posted by MrFun View Post
    Or we need to follow the more universal, moral rules/laws of God rather than follow ALL the cultural proscriptions that may have made sense for an ancient, rural agrarian culture but not so much for modern cultures.
    You do realize that in the 1st century AD there where plenty of places in the mediteranean where you could roll in the hay with another guy and no punishment wuld befall you.



    Homosexuality being a no no wasn't nesecary to maintain a civilization at that point.
    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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    • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
      I'd prefer a debate on Tolkien mythology.

      Much more logical.
      Tolkien's mythology was deeply rooted in his Catholicism.
      1011 1100
      Pyrebound--a free online serial fantasy novel

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      • Originally posted by MrFun View Post
        Okay, so you want to reestablish slavery (of foreigners), and have Western Christian countries and Israel enact laws to legally permit parents to put their children to death for talking back to them.

        Also, do you wear clothing of mixed fabrics/material?
        What are you on about? All he is talking about is that real Christians and Jews should be doing those things and lobbying for those laws. Just like muslims today are pushing for Sharia law in the West.
        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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        • Originally posted by Elok View Post
          Tolkien's mythology was deeply rooted in his Catholicism.
          Catholicism is logical.
          Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
          The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
          The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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          • Originally posted by Elok View Post
            Tolkien's mythology was deeply rooted in his Catholicism.

            Good. Let's talk about that then.
            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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            • Read the...Ainulindale? Can't spell it exactly, but the first part of the Silmarillion. Lucifer's fall to earth seen in the light of God's foreknowledge.
              1011 1100
              Pyrebound--a free online serial fantasy novel

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              • The first part of the mythos is messed up. Did anyone read the loads of manuscripts detailed in the History of middle Earth? Tolkien couldn't decide for a time whether to go with a flat or round Earth and that brought interesting variations on Melkor's actions during creation. His place and actions in the choir are Luciferian but his actions in Arda's early history in most versions aren't really close to any paradise lostish themes.
                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                • Tolkien should have formed a religion around it.

                  He'd be considerably behind the Christians but he would have been well positioned to battle the Scientologists.
                  "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                  "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                  • Hubbard was no Tolkein. At the very least I think he could have beat the Mormons.
                    Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                    The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                    The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                    • They have magic underwear. Tolkien has magic cloaks. What would you prefer?
                      "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                      "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                      • Tolkien could have easily converted all the midgets giving him an instant boost.
                        Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                        The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                        The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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                        • Originally posted by MrFun View Post
                          Or we need to follow the more universal, moral rules/laws of God rather than follow ALL the cultural proscriptions that may have made sense for an ancient, rural agrarian culture but not so much for modern cultures.
                          Or also accept, as has been stated earlier by someone else, that the Bible, while divinely inspired, was written by flawed humans and therefore is not perfect and is subject to the biases of those individuals.

                          As closeness to God is an individual thing (well, for Protestants, I guess), the rules to follow aren't necessarily set in stone. They are more the product of an individual relationship with God and He will indicate when you are failing in how you are supposed to act.
                          Last edited by Imran Siddiqui; December 14, 2009, 11:43.
                          “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                          - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                          • Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                            Tolkien could have easily converted all the midgets giving him an instant boost.
                            "little people"

                            Good point.

                            How many little people are there? They could have little churches...
                            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
                            "I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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                            • Originally posted by Wezil View Post
                              They have magic underwear.
                              Brilliant troll or massive ignorance? We report, you decide.
                              12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                              Stadtluft Macht Frei
                              Killing it is the new killing it
                              Ultima Ratio Regum

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                              • Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                                Or also accept, as has been stated earlier by someone else, that the Bible, while divinely inspired, was written by flawed humans and therefore is not perfect and is subject to the biases of those individuals.

                                As closeness to God is an individual thing (well, for Protestants, I guess), the rules to follow aren't necessarily set in stone. They are more the product of an individual relationship with God and He will indicate when you are failing in how you are supposed to act.
                                Couldn't he, being God and all, have simply told the people what to write down since they are writing in his name to avoid any akwardness?
                                Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.”
                                The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense.
                                The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man. -Nicolás Gómez Dávila

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