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  • Microsoft/News Corp eye web pact

    In summary, Microsoft may pay Murdoch to index his sites and delist from Google, ushering in an era of pay-for-index.

    This is laughable. What a bunch of idiots. I'm sure Google will just sit back and watch the farce proceed.



    Microsoft and News Corp eye web pact

    By Matthew Garrahan in Los Angeles, Richard Waters in San Francisco and Andrew Edgecliffe-Johnson in New York

    Published: November 22 2009 23:01 | Last updated: November 22 2009 23:01

    Microsoft has had discussions with News Corp over a plan that would involve the media company being paid to “de-index” its news websites from Google, setting the scene for a search engine battle that could offer a ray of light to the newspaper industry.

    The impetus for the discussions came from News Corp, owner of newspapers ranging from the Wall Street Journal of the US to The Sun of the UK, said a person familiar with the situation, who warned that talks were at an early stage.

    However, the Financial Times has learnt that Microsoft has also approached other big online publishers to persuade them to remove their sites from Google’s search engine.

    News Corp and Microsoft, which owns the rival Bing search engine, declined to comment.

    One website publisher approached by Microsoft said that the plan “puts enormous value on content if search engines are prepared to pay us to index with them”.

    Microsoft’s interest is being interpreted as a direct assault on Google because it puts pressure on the search engine to start paying for content.

    “This is all about Microsoft hurting Google’s margins,” said the web publisher who is familiar with the plan.

    But the biggest beneficiary of the tussle could be the newspaper industry, which has yet to construct a reliable online business model that adequately replaces declining print and advertising revenues.

    In a possible sign of negotiations to come, Google last week played down the importance of newspaper content.

    Matt Brittin, Google’s UK director, told a Society of Editors conference that Google did not need news content to survive. “Economically it’s not a big part of how we generate revenue,” he said.

    News Corp has been exploring online payment models for its newspapers and has taken an increasingly hard line against Google.

    Rupert Murdoch, News Corp chairman, has said that he would use legal methods to prevent Google “stealing stories” published in his papers.

    Microsoft is desperate to catch Google in search and, after five years and hundreds of millions of dollars of losses, Bing, launched in June, marks its most ambitious attempt yet.

    Steve Ballmer, chief executive of Microsoft, has said that the company is prepared to spend heavily for many years to make Bing a serious rival to Google.

    Microsoft has sought to differentiate Bing by drawing in material not found elsewhere, though it has not demanded exclusivity from content partners. Bing accounted for 9.9 per cent of searches in the US in October, up from 8.4 per cent at its launch, according to ComScore.

    James Murdoch, chairman and chief executive of News Corp Europe and Asia, hinted last week that the company was making progress with its online plans. “We think that there’s a very exciting marketplace, potentially a wholesale market place for digital journalism that we’ll be developing,” he said.
    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

  • #2
    Aren't News Corp going to all be for-pay soon anyway? Who cares if they come up in search results if it's (a) Fox News, (b) Not Free.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #3
      News Corp keeps saying that they will be all-pay, but well... They still aren't pay, except for the WSJ. So what's stopping them?

      All talk.
      Last edited by DanS; November 23, 2009, 11:50.
      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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      • #4
        Okay, so if I have a website that I want to delist from Google, and lets say I go to Google and I'm all "delist my website pls" and theyre all "no" and then I'm all "" can I legally do anything? Is there anything illegal about listing a website without permission?

        It doesn't seem to me like News Corp could really stop Google from listing their websites.

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        • #5
          It can refuse access to Google's webcrawlers
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
          Ultima Ratio Regum

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
            It can refuse access to Google's webcrawlers
            Oh of course.

            Do Google's web crawlers have to self identify somehow? Could Google set up 'stealth servers' and not release the IP's and use them for web crawlers?

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            • #7
              Yes, they self-identify. I don't suppose they have to, but they probably wouldn't (for the creepy factor).
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                I believe that newscorp has the legal right to refuse access to its servers from any individual or organization they choose to block (could be wrong....DanS?)

                Thus, even if Google went stealth newscorp could cease&desist them....
                12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                Stadtluft Macht Frei
                Killing it is the new killing it
                Ultima Ratio Regum

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                • #9
                  I don't know that robots.txt has any legal standing. But ignoring its instructions would be seen as dirty pool in the industry and would make Google's life difficult otherwise.
                  I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                  • #10
                    Google already ignores robots.txt for the most part.

                    We had issues with them. Google would essentially DoS one of our low-capacity servers by hammering it at insane volumes to index it. The only way to tell it to limit its hit rate (which is supposed to be specified in robots.txt) is to log into Google Webmaster Tools and set the setting there. But that's only valid for six months at a time...
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      Does blacklisting really hold less legal standing than whitelisting?
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
                      Ultima Ratio Regum

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                      • #12
                        IANAL, and I doubt any of the Poly lawyers have done the legal research on that.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #13
                          I am so confused. I thought you were a lawyer.
                          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                          Stadtluft Macht Frei
                          Killing it is the new killing it
                          Ultima Ratio Regum

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                          • #14
                            I'm not dumb enough to be a lawyer. Give me another few years on Poly and I'll be good to go.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #15
                              No one will pay to access web sites. Hell, even porn sites have a hard time charging because there is so much free porn on the net. Even if people delist their sites with Google Google's web crawlers will ferret them out and since users continue to prefer Google that's where the ad revenue is going to stay.

                              Don't get me wrong, it is great someone is trying to compete and is doing something different but I doubt they'll be successful.
                              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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