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    NEW YORK - Two computer programmers designed codes to falsify thousands of fake trade blotters and phantom records for swindler Bernard Madoff and took hush money to help keep the massive fraud going, U.S. authorities said.

    The FBI arrested Jerome O'Hara, 46, and George Perez, 43, at their homes on Friday morning on criminal charges of conspiracy for falsifying books and records at both the broker-dealer and investment arms of Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC (BLMIS) in New York.

    "The computer codes and random algorithms they allegedly designed served to deceive investors and regulators and concealed Madoff's crimes," said federal prosecutor Preet Bharara. "They have been charged for their roles in Madoff's epic fraud, and the investigation remains ongoing."

    O'Hara's attorney Gordon Mehler said "We intend to enter a plea of not guilty" after Manhattan federal court magistrate judge Ronald Ellis ordered the men released on $1 million bail each with travel restrictions.

    Perez's attorney Larry Krantz declined to comment.

    Madoff was sentenced to 150 years in prison on June 29. The next day, law enforcement sources said the FBI expected as many as 10 people could be criminally charged for their roles in the decades-long fraud of as much as $65 billion.

    Thousands of investors around the world were bilked in Wall Street's biggest investment fraud, a Ponzi scheme in which early investors were paid with the money of new clients.

    Friday's criminal complaint said O'Hara and Perez developed computer programs to create books and records for a subset of Madoff investment clients, changed names of account holders, buyers and sellers of shares, altered trade details and made it appear the business traded on the London Stock Exchange.

    Criminal and civil complaints against O'Hara and Perez said that in April 2006, they tried to delete 218 of 225 special computer programs run on an IBM server known in the Madoff firm as "House 17." The men did not delete the monthly backup tapes.

    In August or September 2006, they cashed out hundreds of thousands of dollars in their personal BLMIS accounts before meeting with Madoff and telling him they would no longer lie for him, the FBI and the SEC said.

    The FBI found handwritten notes in O'Hara's desk. "I won't lie any longer. Next time, I say 'ask Frank'" said one note, according to the FBI, a reference to Madoff's long-time deputy, Frank DiPascali.

    Madoff told DiPascali to pay the programmers "whatever they wanted in order to keep them happy," the investigators said, and the programmers received pay increases of about 25 percent and net bonuses of about $60,000.

    After that, the SEC said DiPascali convinced the programmers to modify programs so that he and other employees could create reports themselves. The other employees were not identified in court documents.

    O'Hara and Perez were also served with civil charges by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. They worked with Madoff from 1990 and 1991, respectively, until the once-respected financier was arrested on Dec. 11, 2008.

    The SEC said O'Hara and Perez knew that the "House 17" computer was missing functioning programs needed for actual securities trading.

    They were accused of knowing that the computer programs they developed in 2003 and 2004 contained fraudulent information used in U.S. and European regulatory reviews.

    DiPascali, who is jailed awaiting sentencing and is cooperating with the government, was the primary source for information on the programmers, according to court documents. Madoff went to prison without cooperating in the probe.

    Madoff, DiPascali and the firm's outside accountant, David Friehling, have all pleaded guilty to criminal charges.

    O'Hara was arrested at his home in Malverne, N.Y., and Perez was arrested at home in East Brunswick, N.J. Their arrests bring to five the number of people who have been criminally charged in the case.

    The charges against the pair carry maximum prison sentences of 30 years and millions of dollars in fines.

    In other news, almost 200 items seized from the Madoff's homes are being sold Saturday in Manhattan.

    They range from furs, dishes and stationery to a Rolex dubbed "the prisoner's watch" because it was among those made for Allied prisoners during World War II.

    Proceeds will be divided among Madoff's victims.




    They were given 60k and a pay increase of 25% of base in order to keep lying on a 65 billion dollar fraud?

    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
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  • #2
    Yet more evidence we need to eliminate bonuses in the financial sector

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    • #3
      I think everybody should have most of their pay come from bonuses. People would be a lot less lazy.
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      • #4
        We can compare car salesmen/realtors/waitresses with some other portions of the population.

        JM
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        • #5
          Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
          http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33909310...s-us_business/







          They were given 60k and a pay increase of 25% of base in order to keep lying on a 65 billion dollar fraud?

          More proof that IT guys aren't very smart.



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          • #6
            Criminal and civil complaints against O'Hara and Perez said that in April 2006, they tried to delete 218 of 225 special computer programs run on an IBM server known in the Madoff firm as "House 17." The men did not delete the monthly backup tapes.
            With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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            • #7
              It doesn't actually say what they were paid.

              But there are four tiers to finserv IT with massively different salaries:

              "Support Engineers" are the bottom rung, they don't get paid much at all
              "Contractors" get paid decently well
              "Full timers" get six-figures or higher, at the least
              "Senior Full Timers" are guys who get a LOT of money, as they've built up a very good understanding of both the business and the technology over the years. At certain points they become invaluable because you cannot run the systems without their help, and their salary/bonuses indicate that
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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              • #8
                Yes, we are underpaid. I work for a bank and the average IT salary here seems
                to be about $25.000 per year net or about $35.000 gross. It is considered decent
                given that the average salary in the country is about 40% of that, but I think
                it's too little given how profitable the bank is.

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                • #9
                  What does the profitability of the bank have to do with anything? The question is how replaceable you are, not how much money the bank as a whole makes.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Asher View Post
                    It doesn't actually say what they were paid.

                    But there are four tiers to finserv IT with massively different salaries:

                    "Support Engineers" are the bottom rung, they don't get paid much at all
                    "Contractors" get paid decently well
                    "Full timers" get six-figures or higher, at the least
                    "Senior Full Timers" are guys who get a LOT of money, as they've built up a very good understanding of both the business and the technology over the years. At certain points they become invaluable because you cannot run the systems without their help, and their salary/bonuses indicate that
                    Asher, it does not say what their total comp was, but my point is that "whatever it took to keep them happy" was a pittance...
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
                      We can compare car salesmen/realtors/waitresses with some other portions of the population.

                      JM
                      Yes, waitresses and salesmen are extremely hard-working.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Asher View Post
                        It doesn't actually say what they were paid.

                        But there are four tiers to finserv IT with massively different salaries:

                        "Support Engineers" are the bottom rung, they don't get paid much at all
                        "Contractors" get paid decently well
                        "Full timers" get six-figures or higher, at the least
                        "Senior Full Timers" are guys who get a LOT of money, as they've built up a very good understanding of both the business and the technology over the years. At certain points they become invaluable because you cannot run the systems without their help, and their salary/bonuses indicate that
                        Here is how the hierarchy is here in Croatia:

                        - average Joe-printer-cartrige-changer is the lowest
                        - developers who do the programming for the bank's various systems are also not paid well which I find ridiculous given how hard programming can be, but these guys simply don't value themselves enough. The management can't distinguish a programmer from a "programmer" so they're stuck with mediocre talent
                        - database guys (this is what I do at the moment) are moderately paid, but get the opportunity to learn something about banking, if they are so inclined
                        - system administrators are well paid, servers go down often enough to remind management that these people are important
                        - outside consultants: paid their weight in gold, more often than not useless for the first six months of the contract

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                          What does the profitability of the bank have to do with anything? The question is how replaceable you are, not how much money the bank as a whole makes.
                          Your thinking will change as soon as you begin to think that your pay raise is overdue

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                            Asher, it does not say what their total comp was, but my point is that "whatever it took to keep them happy" was a pittance...
                            Yes, but it doesn't sound like they were part of any real system either. Managing the assets of a subset of a small firm's clients, it sounds like.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by VetLegion View Post
                              Here is how the hierarchy is here in Croatia:

                              - average Joe-printer-cartrige-changer is the lowest
                              - developers who do the programming for the bank's various systems are also not paid well which I find ridiculous given how hard programming can be, but these guys simply don't value themselves enough. The management can't distinguish a programmer from a "programmer" so they're stuck with mediocre talent
                              - database guys (this is what I do at the moment) are moderately paid, but get the opportunity to learn something about banking, if they are so inclined
                              - system administrators are well paid, servers go down often enough to remind management that these people are important
                              - outside consultants: paid their weight in gold, more often than not useless for the first six months of the contract
                              It depends on the product they work on as well. I worked on the team that managed Lehman Brother's central trading system that flowed all of their equities and fixed-income trades. The guys who worked full-time on that made a ton of money, several owned two homes (and the manager had a place in Manhattan and another in the Hamptons). They paid the consultant companies way above the going rate for software consulting as well.

                              But if you work for a smaller, less important system I'd imagine that's reflected in the compensation.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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