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    in a field generally dominated by non-blacks "the Tiger Woods of..."?



    Meet poker's Tiger Woods

    Fresh-faced card wiz Phil Ivey is the game's first great hope to win over Madison Avenue.

    (Fortune Magazine) -- He may not be a household name, but to poker followers, Phil Ivey is a god. The 33-year-old pro player is widely considered the best in the world, a rare consensus for the sport.

    "Players almost unanimously says he's the best player, period," says Norman Chad, co-host of ESPN's World Series of Poker coverage. Less than a handful of poker pros before Ivey -- and no one as young -- have enjoyed such status.

    At the World Series of Poker's main event last week, Ivey was trying for his eighth championship bracelet. He's already won the most ever for someone his age, and was the only well-known professional to make the final table in the Series before finishing seventh place in a field of 6,500. (The final two players face off at 9 p.m. Nov. 10 on ESPN.)

    But despite all of Ivey's success, one question persists: Does Ivey have the charisma to become the sport's first breakout star? Hollywood's powerhouse Creative Artists Agency thinks so: In September it signed Ivey as a new client.

    Even after poker's rise in popularity this decade, Madison Avenue has traditionally shied away from its players. Unlike golf, tennis, or NASCAR, poker has a stigma for its gambling-hall roots. No player endorses a major brand. "The growth of poker and putting it on TV has removed a lot of that stigma," says Chad, "but it hasn't removed it all."

    Sports agency IMG in recent years helped the World Series of Poker tournament get sponsorships from Kraft (KFT, Fortune 500) and Hershey (HSY, Fortune 500) -- "and those were tough deals to do," says Series commissioner Jeffrey Pollack.

    Pollack was recruited from NASCAR in 2005 to expand the popularity of the poker tournament, and he's been successful in spite of the challenges: ESPN's ratings for the World Series of Poker recovered to 1.1 million people last year after peaking in 2004 and then falling the next three years. And 2009 viewership is outpacing last year's numbers.

    CAA and Ivey (who is also managed by music entrepreneur Chris "Gotti" Lorenzo) might capitalize on that. Insiders say Ivey is the rare poker personality who can go mainstream. Young, smart, and mild-mannered, he dominates in an industry worth billions. (Online poker in the U.S. alone had sales of $1.5 billion last year, Goldman Sachs estimates.) That could translate into multimillion-dollar deals for videogames, endorsements, or Phil Ivey poker gear. YouTube clips of Ivey bluffing opponents have drawn more than a million viewers.

    But will Ivey want to spend time away from the chips to go into business? Howard Lederer, a successful poker pro who considers Ivey the best in the game, says Ivey regularly wins seven-figure paydays at the Bellagio Casino's "Big Game." The sometimes daily poker game attracts pros and skilled amateurs who can win or lose $1 million a night.

    ESPN The Magazine reported that Ivey made nearly $17 million in one three-day stretch at the Big Game, and another $7 million last year playing poker online. It's tough for endorsements, however lucrative, to compete with that.

    Ivey told Fortune he doesn't have any deals in the works. But his agents may have other plans for him. Even though he missed winning poker's biggest event, his mild-mannered face may start to look more familiar.


    The link on the CNN Business page read "Meet poker's Tiger Woods", and as soon as I saw it, I was 90% certain it was about Ivey

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  • #2
    It's all because Michael Jordan retired.
    “As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
    "Capitalism ho!"

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    • #3
      Basketball's dominated by white men? Or perhaps Asians?

      Actually, I think Yao Ming is the Tiger Woods of basketball.
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      Stadtluft Macht Frei
      Killing it is the new killing it
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      • #4
        maybe if more poker players were household names to begin with... Aint like the guy is breaking some long held taboo against blacks playing poker for money and winning

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        • #5
          I don't get it. Is he part Thai?
          "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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          • #6
            Barack Obama: The Tiger Woods of Politics?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
              Barack Obama: The Tiger Woods of Politics?
              Yes.

              Will Ferrell, as George W Bush, refers to him as "The Tiger Woods Guy".
              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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              • #8
                Billy Cosby is the Tiger Woods of 80s sitcoms with black families.

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                • #9
                  Er, isn't the comparison more about his potential (realistic or not) to transform the game and make it more mainstream - and in turn, massively jack up the money involved - like Tiger Woods rather than the fact that he's black?
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                  • #10
                    Nominally, yes. Applying some critical thought, the analogy is extremely strained when race is taken out of it.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      By the way, there have been any number of media-friendly poker superstars before this.

                      The only difference here is that Ivey is black.
                      12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                      Stadtluft Macht Frei
                      Killing it is the new killing it
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                      • #12
                        Drake Tungsten, the Tiger Woods of Apolyton?
                        Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
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                        We've got both kinds

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                        • #13
                          His race probably plays a role, but it seems the key element is the potential transformation of the game/sport/industry. Arthur Ashe wouldn't have been the "Tiger Woods of tennis" because he (or his presence or aura or whatever) didn't fundamentally alter the game and bring in new sponsors, endorsement deals and a huge wave of money.
                          "The French caused the war [Persian Gulf war, 1991]" - Ned
                          "you people who bash Bush have no appreciation for one of the great presidents in our history." - Ned
                          "I wish I had gay sex in the boy scouts" - Dissident

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                            in a field generally dominated by non-blacks "the Tiger Woods of..."?
                            No, Satchel Paige or Jackie Robinson of..., or maybe the Shaka Zulu of....
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                            • #15
                              Drake as the Shaka Zulu of Apolyton.
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