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    Pull the easy chair up in front of the T.V. Pop some popcorn. This is going to be fun.

    HELSINKI (AFP) - – Nokia, the world's biggest mobile phone maker, took on the iconic iPhone on Thursday by suing US rival Apple for infringing 10 Nokia patents on mobile phone technology.

    "The patents cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption and are infringed by all Apple iPhone models shipped since the iPhone was introduced in 2007," Nokia said in a statement.

    Nokia said it had filed the complaint against Apple on Thursday with the Federal District Court in Delaware in the United States.

    Nokia earlier this month posted its first quarterly loss in a decade amid falling sales. Analysts said the poor results were partly due to the growing popularity of Apple's iPhone and RIM's Blackberry over Nokia models.

    "By refusing to agree appropriate terms for Nokia's intellectual property, Apple is attempting to get a free ride on the back of Nokia's innovation," Ilkka Rahnasto, deputy head of Nokia's legal department, said in the statement.

    The company stressed that it had spent 40 billion euros (60 billion dollars) in research and development over the past two decades.

    "The ten patents in suit relate to technologies fundamental to making devices which are compatible with one or more of the GSM, UMTS (3G WCDMA) and wireless LAN standards," Nokia said.

    Analysts noted it was not the first time a mobile device maker started a court battle against its rival to protect its valuable patents.

    "This does not come as a surprise. Nokia has likely been negotiating with Apple since it revealed the iPhone and has failed to reach an agreement," Ben Wood, director of research at CCS Insight, told AFP.

    "They (Apple) have sold dozens of millions of phones, and if they haven't paid the patents it could be a several billion euro deal or at least hundreds of million euro deal," analyst Greger Johansson from Redeye explained.

    The Finnish firm's net loss in July-September was 559 million euros and its sales shrank by nearly 20 percent to 9.8 billion euros on a 12-month comparison.

    Nokia last week said its share of the global mobile device markets remained flat at 38 percent, but in smartphones like the iPhone its market share dropped to 35 percent in the third quarter from 41 percent in the previous quarter.

    Industry specialists said Nokia had failed to improve its smartphone selection to attract customers to choose Nokia models instead of iPhone or Blackberry.

  • #2
    It could just be that Nokia is over reaching and flailing about since their loses are mounting. I haven't seen any engineers evaluate whither Nokia actually has a case but since the iPhone has been out for 5-10 years and Nokia is only filing now when their business is in the ****ter I'm guessing they have no case what so ever.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
      ...but since the iPhone has been out for 5-10 years...
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      • #4
        Ehm, about three years.
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        • #5
          Still, that's along time to wait to protect your patent. It's not like the iPhone crept on to the market or anything.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
            It could just be that Nokia is over reaching and flailing about since their loses are mounting.
            Nokia's losses are mostly due to impairment charges, which are noncash, non-recurring items. Their operations are profitable, and they have gained market share in some markets (can't be arsed to check email comment from broker).

            the iPhone has been out for 5-10 years and Nokia is only filing now when their business is in the ****ter I'm guessing they have no case what so ever.


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            • #7
              @ Oerdin.

              But IIRC, a lot of these companies have patents that they hold as kind of a mutually assured destruction. One of the reasons why people thought Apple wouldn't file against Palm for multitouch gestures on a phone (which Apple has a patent to) is because Palm has a ton of patents on touchscreen phone stuff. Nokia, as the article said, was negotiating with Apple on licensing the patented stuff it has. It'll be interesting to see if Apple countersues on its patents.
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              • #8
                I'm rather pissed at Apple because I believe (perhaps mistakenly) that Apple
                asked Google not to include multitouch support into Google's Android OS, which
                I happen to be using, and Google complied.

                Go get the bastards Nokia!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                  It'll be interesting to see if Apple countersues on its patents.

                  It'd be even more interesting if Nokia waited until Apple's statutes of limitations ran out before filing a suit to protect its own patents.

                  Another reason for waiting is -- as I understand it -- the remedy for patent infringment is to award all profits resulting from the infringment. So why pull in the line when the hook is only through the fish's lip? Let it get way down there in the gullet; then you reel the fish in.

                  And point of clarification: Nokia is not suing over the iPhone per se but rather on various things within the iPhone.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zkribbler View Post
                    Another reason for waiting is -- as I understand it -- the remedy for patent infringment is to award all profits resulting from the infringment. So why pull in the line when the hook is only through the fish's lip? Let it get way down there in the gullet; then you reel the fish in.
                    Is there a possibility that the doctrine of unreasonable delay (laches) might apply in such cases? Does that doctrine apply to American patent law in respect of a claim for an account of profits?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by VetLegion View Post
                      I'm rather pissed at Apple because I believe (perhaps mistakenly) that Apple
                      asked Google not to include multitouch support into Google's Android OS, which
                      I happen to be using, and Google complied.

                      Go get the bastards Nokia!
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