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    This is really different, because they were married in Massachusetts, and Texas doesn't recognize gay marriages.

    09:15 PM CDT on Thursday, October 1, 2009

    By ROY APPLETON/The Dallas Morning News

    In a first for Texas and a sweeping rejection of the state's ban on gay marriage, a judge has cleared the way for two gay Dallas men to divorce.

    A voter-approved state constitutional amendment and the Texas Family Code prohibit same-sex marriages or civil unions. And the Texas attorney general had intervened in the two men’s divorce case, arguing that since a gay marriage isn’t recognized in Texas, a Texas court can’t dissolve one through divorce.

    But Dallas state District Judge Tena Callahan ruled Thursday that the state's bans on same-sex marriage violates the constitutional guarantee to equal protection under the law.

    She denied the attorney general’s intervention and said her court "has jurisdiction to hear a suit for divorce filed by persons legally married in another jurisdiction."

    "This is huge news. We're ecstatic," said Dallas attorney Peter Schulte, who represents the man who filed the divorce. The man, identified in court documents as J.B., asked that he and his former partner not be identified.

    Schulte said the ruling was a surprise and that he hoped to have a divorce order for the judge to sign in the "next few weeks."

    In a prepared statement, Attorney General Greg Abbott said he would appeal the ruling “to defend the traditional definition of marriage that was approved by Texas voters.

    “The laws and constitution of the State of Texas define marriage as an institution involving one man and one woman. Today's ruling purports to strike down that constitutional definition — despite the fact that it was recently adopted by 75 per cent of Texas voters.
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    Divorce, it brings people together.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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    • #3
      Yeah, 2 lawyers and a judge. Intimate.
      Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
      "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
      He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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      • #4
        I meant more that a case about divorce ends up ruling that the ban on gay marriage violates equal protection under the constitution
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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        • #5
          Ah, conservatives again meddling where they have no business (talking about the attorney general of course). "Look at what I say, not a what I do3. ****ing hypocrits.
          "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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          • #6
            arguing that since a gay marriage isn’t recognized in Texas, a Texas court can’t dissolve one through divorce.
            Out of interest, would that have made the dissolution they were seeking of thier partnership easier or more complex?
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            • #7
              It would have made it impossible under Texas law. They'd have to go to a jurisdiction that recognised gay marriages to seek a divorce.
              "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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              • #8
                That really makes no sense. If a contract isn't recognized by the State, are you saying that it is kept in force regardless?
                I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                • #9
                  It is a very LewisCarolinian situation. The State wants to protect its ban on gay marriage by forcing a gay couple to stay married.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zkribbler View Post
                    It is a very LewisCarolinian situation. The State wants to protect its ban on gay marriage by forcing a gay couple to stay married.
                    Not really. You have to have been married to get a divorce.
                    I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                    For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                    • #11
                      DD--you're right, but it is a little absurd nevertheless. Defending non-gay marriage, by stopping gays from getting divorced. Stick to 'em, Texas!
                      "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                        That really makes no sense. If a contract isn't recognized by the State, are you saying that it is kept in force regardless?
                        It is kept in force where it is recognised--e.g., the place where the parties originally married. So far as Texan law and Texan courts are concerned, however, the parties' marriage is irrelevant. For example it could not be used for the purpose of various benefits to which married people are entitled. But suppose the couple returns to the place of their marriage--the other jurisdiction still regards it as valid and on foot for the whole period in any case. So they can still resort to the divorce laws of that jurisdiction if necessary.

                        I'll give an analogy: suppose you commit a crime in one country and flee to a neighboring country where the crime does not exist. The fact that you fled to the country where the crime does not exist, does not mean that when you return to the original country, you're absolved of the crime. By the same token if this couple returns to a place where their marriage is recognised it will still be treated as on foot.
                        "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                        • #13
                          But the Texas law is unconstitutional. If someone gets married in one state, all states have to recognize it.

                          Article IV

                          Section 1. Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

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                          • #14
                            It seems to me that it does, but I am not an American lawyer or a specialist in constitutional law. But if the language of this clause is given its natural meaning then at the very least this couple have a good case.
                            "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zkribbler View Post
                              But the Texas law is unconstitutional. If someone gets married in one state, all states have to recognize it.
                              Not really, Zk. There is a public policy exception to the Full Faith & Credit Clause.
                              I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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