A Music Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

Rapper Nas with his father, Blues/Jazz musician Olu Dara:



"Bridging The Gap from the blues, to jazz, to rap
The history of music on this track"

[Thoth]

So any thoughts on my sample example or are you just going to stay a close-minded bigot?

I have several others I could use to further my point.

??? You posted some empty elevator music. I might be a little drunk, but if you have a point I'm missing it.

[Al B. Sure!]

The point is the hip hop producer took an obscure and forgotten song, creatively fashioned it into a hip hop track with a rapper's lyrics (which itself adds value), and created new music while also re-popularizing a song lost on a vinyl record from 1975.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sloww:

The early genesis of rap:

The real importance of "Hold On To What You Got" lies
in the lyrics and the eccentric way they are vocally
counterpoised against the steady piano beats.

Some authors consider this song to be the very first
example of "soul rap" and claim that as such it paved the
way for all subsequent rap and hip-hop. You actually can
hear the genesis of full-blown rap in the way that certain
lines are inflected and stressed --

Where some women make misTAKES
Is when their men go out and let 'em PLAY,
They would STAY,

-- a seemingly haphazard skewing or displacement of the
rhythm in favour of the rhyme which comes from the earlier
black toasting tradition and which virtually characterizes
rap and hip-hop to this day.

[Thoth]

Oh. so you mean he wasted his time.

'tis the way of the modern age.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sloww,

Joe Tex 1972... by now, the rap similarities should be obvious:




I actually kind of wonder if AAHZ will like it since it sounds very similar to Juvenile or Mystikal

[Al B. Sure!]

Sloww,

Rap from 1968:






1968 for God's sake! And that is unmistakably rap. On the second song, they even trade bars. Rap came straight from the Blues.

[Al B. Sure!]

Sloww,

Rap from 1956:



That song was also re-done by the Coasters a few years later.

[Al B. Sure!]

I can't resist for AAHZ:

Joe Tex vs. Mystikal:







But Sloww, the point is that rap goes back at least to the late 1950's and is likely even older. Who knows what those blues singers were doing on sharecropper farms in the Deep South in the 1920's that never was recorded? Wouldn't be surprised at all if they were rapping in ways that could immediately be recognized as rap today. Is there any reason to think that what Joe Tex, Pigmeat Markham, and Kent Harris were doing in the 1950's and 60's (Pigmeat's act is actually older than 1968 it just wasn't recorded til then) originated from them? It's just as likely it came from an even older source, especially considering that by the time of Pigmeat, rapping was already fully formed.

Don't let your old white guy prejudices cause you to discount an entire genre of music that evolved directly from and developed alongside the music that you love Rap is Blues.

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[Nikolai]

Some interesting songs there Alby. Thanks to AAHZ for making me aware of those posts of yours, never would have thought to come by this thread otherwise. Stopped a long time ago because of AAHZ's spamming of awful songs.

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