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    Foreign Policy's David Rothkopf questions the wisdom of Mr. Obama's first several months:


    Russia undercuts our efforts to rein in Iran's nuclear program. Our response: dismantle the missile shield we had contemplated for Eastern Europe.

    Hamid Karzai diddles the elections, abuses his people, and is openly corrupt. Our response: let's discuss how many more troops we want to send in to Afghanistan to help strengthen his power base and while we're at it, let's spend billions on doing work building his nation.

    Pakistan limits our ability to go after the Taliban and al Qaeda within their borders, limits our ability to gain credit for aid flows to the country while promoting the interests of radical muslim donors and we open the spigots wider.

    North Korea pushes forward with weapons programs and rattles its saber regularly and we seek new channels to discuss ways we can deepen our relationship after each calculated taunt.

    Myanmar extends the prison term of Aung San Suu Kyi on trumped up charges and we send a high level emissary.

    Iran crushes legitimate opposition, the regime steals and election, it lies for decades about its nuclear program, it strengthens its military capability and calls for destruction of Israel and we announce further talks despite their insistence none of the issues most important for us to discuss are open to discussion. Push us harder through arms collaboration with Russia and we remove the threat of that missile defense.

    Meanwhile, our one dependable ally in the Middle East, Israel, faces an unprecedented squeeze, our most dependable ally on Venezuela's border, Colombia, can't get even a modest trade deal finalized, the Poles and the Czechs get the rug pulled out from under them, and so on. We need China more than ever to help with Iran after Russia has gone on the record as seeking a divergent outcome ... not to mention needing movement from them on issues like climate and global economic cooperation ... and what do we do? Slap them with unnecessary, hard-to-defend duties on imported tires.

    It's the same here at home. No one fears crossing the Obama administration because the two most likely outcomes are either no retaliation or rewards. (Ask Senator Grassley, who gets concessions by the boatload but still refuses to play along, to name just one.)




    I'm in agreement that the decisions made so far are presenting perverse incentives to our rivals, while punishing those who have shown loyalty. If an AI were acting like this in Civ, people would be losing their **** over the "buggy AI".

    I'm not really an Obama loyalist though, so I'm interested in hearing any defenses of his record so far. Does this list represent a bunch of cherry picked incidents that ignore a broadly defensible record? Or are these honest mistakes made by a guy who's just new at his job?
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    My first question is what is this "unprecedented squeeze" Israel faces? Last I heard they were (again) expanding settlements in the West Bank, which is one of the bad things that keeps making it harder to find peace. I haven't heard much from Obama about it.

    I think the missile shield was an unnecessary provocation in the beginning for minimal gain. So I don't think we lose much by dismantling it, except possibly good will in Poland & Czech Republic.

    The corrupt election is definitely a problem, but it isn't like Bush would have done anything different. How long did we buddy up with a dictator in Pakistan? I definitely think we should do something about Kharzi & the election, but I don't think Obama is the only one who would have gotten that wrong.

    I agree about Pakistan, but again, just continuing the policy of the last administration. Though I've heard more talk (and action) about bombing Al Qeida inside Pakistan, which is something Bush never seemed willing to do.

    NK went nuclear under Bush's watch. Talking isn't a reward.

    Myanmar? Burma!

    For Iran, again, talking isn't a reward. Obama was smart to stay out of the street demonstrations. Bush would have opened his mouth, or worse, and the reform movement in Iran would be identified as puppets of America. So good for Obama on that.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
      The corrupt election is definitely a problem, but it isn't like Bush would have done anything different. How long did we buddy up with a dictator in Pakistan? I definitely think we should do something about Kharzi & the election, but I don't think Obama is the only one who would have gotten that wrong.
      Such as?
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      • #4
        20 years from now it will still be all Bush's Fault. That regime is over, Obama has to make the decisions now. (or not make any as seems to be what is being said here)
        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Wezil View Post
          Such as?
          Put pressure on Karzai to step down, or fix the corruption, or revote or something. That's not my job to come up with specifics.

          Whatever the legal procedure in the country (assuming they have one) for resolving rigged elections, we should be vocal about encouraging that.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by OzzyKP View Post
            Put pressure on Karzai to step down, or fix the corruption, or revote or something. That's not my job to come up with specifics.
            Forcing such an outcome would be admitting the Afghan regime is under our control. It is, but for political reasons this can not be said.

            Whatever the legal procedure in the country (assuming they have one) for resolving rigged elections, we should be vocal about encouraging that.
            That is what is happening now.


            Edit - I'm not at all trying to pick a fight with you Ozzy. Quiter frankly I have been surprised by the complete lack of debate here on this subject by Americans. I'm curious to hear your opinions.
            "I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
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            • #7
              lol David Redhead.
              Blah

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              • #8
                I think most people in the country assume the regime is under our control already (and sure, perhaps it is). Better they hold us responsible for fighting corruption than rigging an election.

                But I don't think we should just force a change. But if we start openly calling this a rigged election, that might be a step in the right direction.
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                • #9
                  Who else is there except Karzai? Abdullah Abdullah (and yes, that's really his name)?
                  Blah

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                  • #10
                    I'm not really an Obama loyalist though, so I'm interested in hearing any defenses of his record so far.


                    The best defense is that, while Obama hasn't really done anything good in foreign policy, he hasn't really done anything that bad, either. Obama really doesn't seem to care that much about foreign policy, quite frankly.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by BeBro View Post
                      lol David Redhead.
                      We have a saying in my country, "Beaten like a redheaded step-child." Do they have such a saying among your people?
                      John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                      • #12
                        The Germans don't beat readheads; they push them into the gas chambers with the rest of the untermenschen...
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                        • #13
                          The worst thing Obama has done, which wasn't even mentioned in the OP, was his moronic support for Zelaya in Honduras...

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                          • #14
                            You're absolutely right. Obama's handling of Latin America, and the whole Chavez situation has been a complete boondoggle.

                            Zelaya broke the rules and was punished. But don't try explaining that to the State Department.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Felch View Post
                              We have a saying in my country, "Beaten like a redheaded step-child." Do they have such a saying among your people?
                              No
                              Blah

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