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  • Stiglitz Says Banking Problems Are Now Bigger Than Pre-Lehman

    Now can we let them die?

    Stiglitz Says Banking Problems Are Now Bigger Than Pre-Lehman

    Sept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize- winning economist, said the U.S. has failed to fix the underlying problems of its banking system after the credit crunch and the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

    “In the U.S. and many other countries, the too-big-to-fail banks have become even bigger,” Stiglitz said in an interview today in Paris. “The problems are worse than they were in 2007 before the crisis.”

    Stiglitz’s views echo those of former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, who has advised President Barack Obama’s administration to curtail the size of banks, and Bank of Israel Governor Stanley Fischer, who suggested last month that governments may want to discourage financial institutions from growing “excessively.”

    A year after the demise of Lehman forced the Treasury Department to spend billions to shore up the financial system, Bank of America Corp.’s assets have grown and Citigroup Inc. remains intact. In the U.K., Lloyds Banking Group Plc, 43 percent owned by the government, has taken over the activities of HBOS Plc, and in France BNP Paribas SA now owns the Belgian and Luxembourg banking assets of insurer Fortis.

    While Obama wants to name some banks as “systemically important” and subject them to stricter oversight, his plan wouldn’t force them to shrink or simplify their structure.

    Stiglitz said the U.S. government is wary of challenging the financial industry because it is politically difficult, and that he hopes the Group of 20 leaders will cajole the U.S. into tougher action.

    G-20 Steps

    “We aren’t doing anything significant so far, and the banks are pushing back,” he said. “The leaders of the G-20 will make some small steps forward, given the power of the banks” and “any step forward is a move in the right direction.”

    G-20 leaders gather next week in Pittsburgh and will consider ways of improving regulation of financial markets and in particular how to set tighter limits on remuneration for market operators. Under pressure from France and Germany, G-20 finance ministers last week reached a preliminary accord that included proposals to claw-back cash awards and linking compensation more closely to long-term performance.

    “It’s an outrage,” especially “in the U.S. where we poured so much money into the banks,” Stiglitz said. “The administration seems very reluctant to do what is necessary. Yes they’ll do something, the question is: Will they do as much as required?”

    Global Economy

    Stiglitz, former chief economist at the World Bank and member of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said the world economy is “far from being out of the woods” even if it has pulled back from the precipice it teetered on after the collapse of Lehman.

    “We’re going into an extended period of weak economy, of economic malaise,” Stiglitz said. The U.S. will “grow but not enough to offset the increase in the population,” he said, adding that “if workers do not have income, it’s very hard to see how the U.S. will generate the demand that the world economy needs.”

    The Federal Reserve faces a “quandary” in ending its monetary stimulus programs because doing so may drive up the cost of borrowing for the U.S. government, he said.

    “The question then is who is going to finance the U.S. government,” Stiglitz said.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Mark Deen in Paris at markdeen@bloomberg.netDavid Tweed in Paris at dtweed@bloomberg.net
    Last Updated: September 13, 2009 14:38 EDT
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  • #2
    He's talking jibberish.

    “It’s an outrage,” especially “in the U.S. where we poured so much money into the banks,” Stiglitz said.
    We did not "pour" money into banks. We loaned banks money. We will be paid back.

    “The administration seems very reluctant to do what is necessary. Yes they’ll do something, the question is: Will they do as much as required?”
    He doesn't say what, if anything, is lacking in the Administration's plans. My "read" is that he's criticizing just for the sake of criticizing.

    Stiglitz, former chief economist at the World Bank and member of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said the world economy is “far from being out of the woods” even if it has pulled back from the precipice it teetered on after the collapse of Lehman.
    Wait a minute! We've pulled back from the precipice and yet we are in worse shape than while we were teetering on the precipice?? WTF?

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    • #3
      Christ, Zkrib thinks he's smarter than Joe Stiglitz now...

      Anyway, Stiglitz is probably right. This is what you get when you put economically illiterate politicians in charge of the financial system.
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      • #4
        Well ZKribbler ran a union. That's much more impressive in economics terms than winning the Nobel Prize in Economics
        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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        • #5
          I don't respect Stiglitz because he won a Nobel (and not just because the econ Nobel isn't a real Nobel). Krugman won a Nobel, for christ's sake.
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          • #6
            But Krugman won it for something completely different than what he pontificates about these days.
            “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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            • #7
              True, he did deserve the Nobel for his work on international trade. I'm just saying that having a (fake) Nobel doesn't necessarily make you worthy of respect.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Drake Tungsten View Post
                This is what you get when you put economically illiterate politicians in charge of the financial system.
                As opposed to, what, great financial geniuses like George W. Bush?
                At least, Obama is a self-made multi-millionaire. That's should give him some creds.

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                • #9
                  As opposed to, what, great financial geniuses like George W. Bush?


                  That doesn't follow.

                  Holy ****, Zk, you are a ****ing moron.

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                  • #10
                    There is nothing wrong with big banks. Australia has 4 large banks that do 90% of our banking, all very profitable because our oversight regulation trod on their toes quickly if their exposures to certain products grew excessively. As a result their losses due to the collapase of overseas financial entities never exceeded about 10% of net profits.
                    Having fewer, well supervised large banks is the best way to go, just make sure none of them are involved in risky financial dealings and there is unlikely to be a financial crisis. That is what we have done in Australia and our economy continues to grow.

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                    • #11
                      Where I think the biggest problem was is that banks were encouraged to write loans and then insure the risk through derivatives or Fannie mae or Freddie Mac etc. That is wrong. The risk should always stay with the bank, this forces then to ensure their procedures and systems are up to scratch in identifying risks and covering them adequately. Close down your Fannies and Freddies and limit the risk shedding that can happen. Your financial system will stay much stronger for it, even if credit growth is more restrained in the short term.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by trev View Post
                        Having fewer, well supervised large banks is the best way to go
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                        • #13
                          trev, i find it hard to reconcile these two statements.

                          Having fewer, well supervised large banks is the best way to go, just make sure none of them are involved in risky financial dealings and there is unlikely to be a financial crisis.
                          Where I think the biggest problem was is that banks were encouraged to write loans and then insure the risk through derivatives or Fannie mae or Freddie Mac etc. That is wrong. The risk should always stay with the bank.
                          the problem is that when the bank is so big that it dwarfs a countries economy (there are several british banks that have balance sheets worth 2x+ UK GDP), it becomes too big to fail. therefore the bank(s) are insured by their very size and can undertake risky activities in the full knowledge that if things go badly wrong, the taxpayer will have to bail them out. which is, of course, exactly what happened.

                          we saw an almost complete failure of regulation in this run up to this crisis and i am not convinced that regulation can really be effective if it does not in some way address the root of the problem, banks that are too big to fail. we need to look for a new solution, with banks that are properly regulated but also, small enough, so that if one runs into trouble, it does not imperil the whole financial system. this would also restore some moral hazard, a concept that seems to have been forgotten in recent times.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kuciwalker View Post
                            Holy ****, Zk, you are a ****ing moron.
                            I wuv you too, Kuci.

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                            • #15
                              You should have flamed him back, Zkribb

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