ACORN: Housing Assistance For Prostitutes

[Ecofarm]

I already said the pimpster was silly. That has nothing to do with the criminal actions documented in the congressional committee report.

If I must prove, beyond any possibility including alien intervention, that the congressional committee (and their congressional investigators) did not lie... then we're done here.


And don't forget, there are 2 additional (2010) congressional reports that document crimes by ACORN in the link above.

February 2010 report entitled “Follow the Money: ACORN, SEIU and their Political Allies.”

April 2010 report entitled “ACORN Political Machine Tries to Reinvent Itself.”


I don't get how one can consider this mountain of physical evidence and claim "oh, ACORN is just a victim". Sure, they might be a victim of scrutiny but they're guilty as fk of... evaded taxes, obstructed justice, engaged in self dealing, aided and abetted a cover-up of embezzlement, committed investment fraud, deprived the public of its right to honest services, engaged in a racketeering enterprise affecting interstate commerce, conspiracy to defraud the United States by using taxpayer funds for partisan political activities, submitted false filings to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Department of Labor, violating the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA), and falsified and concealed facts concerning an illegal transaction between related parties in violation of the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA).

I guess some people can just ignore all that, if it suits their agenda.

[Ecofarm]

Any of these groups that says, "I'm young, I'm Democratic, and I'm a socialist," is okay with me. You know that's no light thing to do -- to actually say, I'm a socialist. You've got to know, actually, we are living in a time that's going to dwarf the McCarthy era. It is going to dwarf the internment of World War II. We are right now in a time that is going to dwarf the era of Jim Crow and segregation.

They are coming. And they are coming after you. And they are going to be brutal and oppressive. They've already shown it. ... This is not rhetoric or hyperbole -- this is real. ... This tea party so-called movement -- a bowel-movement in my estimation -- and this blatant uncovering and ripping off the mask of racism...

-former ACORN head, Bertha Lewis

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Fmr-ACORN-head-calls-Tea-Parties-bowel-movement-and-claims-theyre-coming-after-you-91754964.html

Bertha Lewis is the Chief Executive Officer and Chief Organizer of ACORN, the largest community organization in the country. Appointed in May 2008, Ms. Lewis oversees the operations of its 400,000 strong membership, which is active in over 110 cities across the country. A 16 year veteran of the organization, Ms. Lewis was most recently the Executive Director of ACORN’s New York affiliate and is a founding Co-Chair of the New York Working Families Party.

http://www.politico.com/arena/bio/bertha_lewis.html

I don't know when or why she became "former ACORN head".



Anyway, ACORN obviously is (was) a both corrupt and political organization posing and subsidized as a non-partisan voter registration service. Lamenting the loss of ACORN is ignorance and/or ethically void partisanship. Dont even give me that "16 (SIXTEEN) congressmen and all of their investigators totally lied about everything" crap; prove any of them lied in the report or falsified any evidence, and enjoy removing them from office immediately.

ACORN was scheduled to access over $8 billion in subsidy ($3b stimulas and $5.5b 2010 budget... I don't know how much they would actually get, of that). How can anyone with an even slightly informed and honest opinion think we should go ahead with that?




One more correction:

Yes, seven low level people were charged and guess who turned in those seven people? ACORN!

To date [July 2009], nearly 70 ACORN employees have been convicted in 12 states for voter registration fraud

http://republicans.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/20091118_ACORNREPORT.pdf

You reduced it by a factor of power and substituted 'charged' for 'convicted'. C'mon.

Yet the lies the right wing tells makes it look like ACORN is to blame when in reality it hasn't done anything even remotely wrong.

I'm still waiting for proof they've done anything shady what so ever.

It's been my pleasure.

[DinoDoc]

It's a pretty open and shut bill of attainder which was well documented by the original ruling.

Not really. It's hardly a bill of attainder for Congress not to give money to someone unless you are claiming that Congress is punishing you by not giving you funding.

[Darius871]

Wow, Oerdin vs. Ecofarm exclusively for almost half a page. Condense any more trite hackery into one place and it'll collapse into a singularity...

[rah]

Considering I was one of those that happily jumped on the "CRUCIFY ACORN" bandwagon, I have to admit in hindsight that it was a great hatchet job that in the end lacked a lot of substance. Yeah, there was a bit of fraud in some of the voter drives but probably no worse than any other orgs that size. And a few bad apples but again no worse than other orgs that size. And you have no idea how hard it is to admit this. But I can admire the hatchet job. It was well done and quite effective at the time.

[Theben]

I'll just throw in my 2 @@ and say that any rag that's concerned about Avatar setting environmental policy and disappointed that there is little push for replacing Grant with Reagan on the $50 is not one that I would consider a reliable source of info.

[DinoDoc]

Why would anyone want Reagan's face on something declining in value?

[Dinner]

I already said the pimpster was silly. That has nothing to do with the criminal actions documented in the congressional committee report.

I'm beginning to think you really are as stupid as KH says you are. THEY WERE ALLEGATIONS UNSUPPORTED BY FACTS made by a highly partisan individual congressman not an entire committee. There was no trial yet ACORN was still singled out for punishment and that's why the court ruled that stupid "report" you linked to an unconstitutional bill of attainder! This is like the upteenth time this has been pointed out to you so get it through your thick skull.

Further more at least two states (where the supposed "crimes" took place) did detailed investigations and found NO PROOF that any of the accusations made by Congressman Darrel Issa were true! Stop being a ****** and learn to read.

http://republicans.oversight.house.g...CORNREPORT.pdf

You reduced it by a factor of power and substituted 'charged' for 'convicted'. C'mon.

OMG, you really are a ****. The "fraud" in question is individual contractors who tried to defraud ACORN trying to get ACORN to pay them for registering "Mickey Mouse" and similar names and ACORN WAS THE ONES WHO TURNED THOSE PEOPLE IN TO THE COPS! BTW that's voter registration fraud, not voter fraud (no one showed up to vote claiming they were Mickey Mouse) where ACORN was the whistle blower and you're so stupid you're trying to blame ACORN who was both the victim and the ones who called the cops?! Put the crack pipe down, son.

[Dinner]

Why would anyone want Reagan's face on anything of value?

Fixed.

[Ecofarm]

There is a ton of evidence that ACORN broke multiple laws at the top levels of the company, including covering up embezzlement by the founder's brother.


Try reading the congressional report (signed by 16 Reps), and the 2 follow-up reports. They are full of documented illegal activity at top levels.


One more thing: you think that all voter registration services produce 30% invalid registrations? 400,000 invalid registrations out of 1.3 million submitted. Do you think the average voter registration service actively campaigns for candidates?

Wow, Oerdin vs. Ecofarm exclusively for almost half a page. Condense any more trite hackery into one place and it'll collapse into a singularity...

I'm not a republican, or even a conservative; however, I can read congressional reports and am not inclined to believe ACORN over them. Are you inclined to believe that ACORN is guilt-free despite a mountain of physical evidence presented in the report?

[Hauldren Collider]

Fixed.

I'm going to guess that it's because he was a good president?

And holy ****, are people still defending ACORN? Here's my question. If people are too stupid to realize they can vote, do we really want them voting?

[giblets]

I'm going to guess that it's because he was a good president?

And holy ****, are people still defending ACORN? Here's my question. If people are too stupid to realize they can vote, do we really want them voting?

lol the poor suck. I sure don't want them voting.

[Ecofarm]

What does being poor have to do with knowing one can vote? The "poor" in the US have TVs and computers. They also go to school, free for 13 years (and eat free there too).

But they never heard about voting?

[giblets]

Why assume they are stupid or don't know about voting?

[Ecofarm]

They are disinterested, same with most rich people.


You're the one presuming they are stupid or ignorant (or otherwise do not have access), just because they are poor. You're blaming their lack of registration on "being poor"; you're the one with assumptions about people based on economic status, not me.