Sarah Palin: bat****, or howling-at-the-moon bat****?

[Kuciwalker]

This is a highly relevant tangent.

[Krill]

I think we need a new scale to do that. The old one we used for Bush doesn;t reach far enough.

[Sava]

it doesn't matter anyways
we're all going to die before the next president takes office
2012
you were warned :tass:

[Straybow]

Our current system is fundamentally broken. It costs far more then anyone else, it gets the worst results in most cases, it leaves tens of thousands to die each year when they could have been saved, but a few companies/people profit so much from this human misery that they don't want it to change so they fool the gullible into siding with them out of fear of change. It's wrong and immoral.

No; perhaps; no; so do the others; no. Many insurance companies are Mutual Insurance companies, meaning the policy holders are the shareholders. All the "profits" are part of the money covering the risk pool. If you were so smart, you'd invest in the "immoral" insurance companies and recoup your premiums.

[notyoueither]

So the solution to a system that leaves significant numbers uncovered is to invest in that system?

Personally, I'd say it would be a rather poor stock choice if there stands to be a good chance of popular revolt against a fundamentally unjust system in the middle of financial upheaval spilling over into people's paychecks, or lack thereof.

[Guynemer]

Jesus. James Inhofe has now also gone full ******. Regarding Guantanamo, he said:

"There has never been a case of torture there. The people there are treated better than in the federal prisons."

He continued, "I don’t know why President Obama is obsessed with turning terrorists loose in America."

[Drake Tungsten]

"There has never been a case of torture there. The people there are treated better than in the federal prisons."

This is true. You can argue with the first point depending on what you consider "torture", but the second point is clearly true. I'd much rather be in Gitmo than any American prison.

[Guynemer]

The torture statement is debatable, yes. The second part of that is complete bull****. And the comment about turning terrorists lose in America is just ****ing evil.

[Drake Tungsten]

You need to read up on US prisons, dude. They're ****ed up.

[Dinner]

Levi speaks about the Palin house; some selected quotes:

The Palin house was much different from what many people expect of a normal family, even before she was nominated for vice president. There wasn’t much parenting in that house. Sarah doesn’t cook, Todd doesn’t cook—the kids would do it all themselves: cook, clean, do the laundry, and get ready for school. Most of the time Bristol would help her youngest sister with her homework, and I’d barbecue chicken or steak on the grill.
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Sarah told me she had a great idea: we would keep it a secret—nobody would know that Bristol was pregnant. She told me that once Bristol had the baby she and Todd would adopt him. That way, she said, Bristol and I didn’t have to worry about anything. Sarah kept mentioning this plan. She was nagging—she wouldn’t give up. She would say, “So, are you gonna let me adopt him?” We both kept telling her we were definitely not going to let her adopt the baby. I think Sarah wanted to make Bristol look good, and she didn’t want people to know that her 17-year-old daughter was going to have a kid.
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Sarah was sad for a while. She walked around the house pouting. I had assumed she was going to go back to her job as governor, but a week or two after she got back she started talking about how nice it would be to quit and write a book or do a show and make “triple the money.” It was, to her, “not as hard.” She would blatantly say, “I want to just take this money and quit being governor.” She started to say it frequently, but she didn’t know how to do it. When she came home from work, it seemed like she was more and more stressed out.
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People think that Sarah likes hunting, fishing, and camping, but she doesn't. She says she goes hunting and lives off animal meat -- I've never seen it. I've never seen her touch a fishing pole. She had a gun in her bedroom and one day she asked me to show her how to shoot it. I asked her what kind of gun it was, and she said she didn't know, because it was in a box under her bed.
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We all knew that she didn't know what to say on TV, and that when she was reading a script she was a phony. I'd be sitting with the family in front of the TV and we'd be disgusted watching her. Her family never said anything terrible, but they shook their heads with disappointment. And there were times where we'd sit there and pretty much laugh at things she said. I laughed every time I saw Tina Fey imitate her. She sounded just like her. I think the kids thought it was funny, too. There were also times when Sarah would be at home and watch herself on the screen and say she did very bad.
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But when she began to hear McCain's people accusing her of being the reason they lost, she decided to retaliate. At home, she would say that she couldn't believe they had backstabbed her. She couldn't believe they were saying she lost the election for McCain. She would say things like "I brought everything to the table and "The majority people were out there voting because of me!" She definitely thought she was running for president.

[Guynemer]

Levi is neither the most credible nor the most sympathetic source.

[Dinner]

Agreed but it's still kind of interesting to have a view into the Palin household.

[Straybow]

So the solution to a system that leaves significant numbers uncovered is to invest in that system?

Personally, I'd say it would be a rather poor stock choice if there stands to be a good chance of popular revolt against a fundamentally unjust system in the middle of financial upheaval spilling over into people's paychecks, or lack thereof.

Oh, so maybe there isn't all this easy, eeevil profit in the insurance industry?

And, no, there is not going to be a "popular revolt" against a "fundamentally unjust system." The liberal elite want to overturn a system that they don't control, to install a system they do control, against the will of the majority, and they tell us it's "for our own good."

[notyoueither]

I fear your majority is pretty poorly informed.

I used to think that the propaganda over Canada's healthcare was unusual. The CBC and the NDP got nothing on what's going on in the US.

[Zevico]

Oh, so maybe there isn't all this easy, eeevil profit in the insurance industry?

And, no, there is not going to be a "popular revolt" against a "fundamentally unjust system." The liberal elite want to overturn a system that they don't control, to install a system they do control, against the will of the majority, and they tell us it's "for our own good."

Hate to break it you partner, but those damn dirty liberals got a majority in Congress, the Senate and yes, they even won the Presidential elections. Against the will of the majority? Hardly. The will of the majority was to elect the Democrats. There's no place in a voting ballot where it is written "tick here if you want to vote Democrat but oppose their health care policy."

Secondly, this debate is not about some hackneyed story of evil corporations standing against 'the people.' Class warfare is history, and the Democrats abandoned it long ago.* This is a debate based on a cost-benefit assessment on the merits of government oversight or control of health-care policy and health care services. Nothing more and nothing less.

*Oerdin excepted.