Is Separate but Equal Returning?

[Patroklos]

I know everyone is not like me, but I like my browser to be minimal. What color scheme? All I see is a gray header at the tope, the rest is a beige color. I have file, edit, view etc. Then the navigation bar. That's it. I don't want anything else. I fail to see how the firefox browser is "white" in any way.

Bland and corny, obviously optimized for white guys.

[MikeH]

Don't they think African Americans can use Macs or Linux? RACISTS.

[Patroklos]

Macs and Linux are obviously for white people or uncle toms

[Imran Siddiqui]

I was really interested in Yellow Journalism. Imagine my surprise when it wasn't about East Asians

[Murg]

Really? No? What group is located in Chinatown? Little Italy? Little Odessa?
What ethnic group primarily controls the hip hop culture? What minority group is the only cast in a Tyler Perry...anything?

And people don't separate themselves? When a white walks down a neighborhood that is predominantly black or Hispanic, what is the result? What is the result when a Hispanic or black walks down a street that is dominated by whites? People get awkward, hostile, stare, talk quietly, move to the other side of the street, or harass.

So groups aren't separating themselves from everyone else?

The argument wasn't against your point on cultural diversity, which is fine. But against your point that cultural diversity = racism. Its fine for their to be different races, its fine for those races to have different cultural traditions, its fine for them to enjoy their cultural traditions. It doesn't become racism until people start to believe that their race/culture is superior to others.

For example, if a grocery store carries a hair product that is marketed to black people that isn't racist. It isn't separate but equal because there is no enforced separation (this is the mistake the original poster makes). But if a grocer doesn't carry the hair product because he doesn't want black people shopping in his store, thats racist (not carrying the hair product because black people dont shop in his store and there is no market for it isn't racist). Also not selling to black people is right out.

[Japher]

if a grocer doesn't carry the hair product because he doesn't want black people shopping in his store, thats racist

I don't think "intent" should have any place in the definition of racism because that implies that I know what they are thinking/doing or how they are behaving. When we add intent to the definition than we open the door for interpretation, especially on the side of those blowing the whistle. However, if you don't add intent to the definition you open the door for racial quotas to be the measure of racial equality, which is just as wrong.

[MikeH]

How can you exclude intent?

If someone doesn't give a minority person a job, because there someone better for the job, eg. an equally qualified candidate who comes over better at interview, it's not racism.
If someone doesn't give a minority person a job, because of their race, it is racism.

The only difference is intent, which is why these things are so sensitive and hard to prove.

People will (almost) always deny intent, so despite their many failings quotas do have some use.

[Murg]

I don't think "intent" should have any place in the definition of racism because that implies that I know what they are thinking/doing or how they are behaving. When we add intent to the definition than we open the door for interpretation, especially on the side of those blowing the whistle. However, if you don't add intent to the definition you open the door for racial quotas to be the measure of racial equality, which is just as wrong.

I know what the intent is in my hypothetical situation because I set the intent. Though I agree that accusing someone of racism is a hard line, and unless we have a substantial amount of evidence we should assume the best (that they aren't racists).

[Japher]

Though I agree that accusing someone of racism is a hard line, and unless we have a substantial amount of evidence we should assume the best (that they aren't racists).

Thanks for understanding, unlike Mike. Sure, racism begins with a motive/intent, but we can't really measure that nor prove that without someone admitting it. And, many will not.

[SpencerH]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465808,00.html



So MLK fights for equal rights, then decades go by and then a group comes out to make the races separate again. Why would any group, community, race, or company do this? Honestly.

While I applaud your attempt to start fractious threads that question the status quo at poly, my own experience indicates that they are doomed to failure.

[Alinestra Covelia]

This is just offering a new product, ostensibly aimed at a certain ethnic/racial demographic. It's not racist in itself.

Whether it's actually any good is another question entirely. But it's in the same sort of classification as BET channel.

[duke o' york]

It's not even a new product, just a new skin for an existing product.... Oops.

As a proud, non-affiliated member of the NAACP, I couldn't give a flying toss about this. Here's to the guy quoted in the article.

Here's to his (?) username.

[RGBVideo]

I still think zaku is an obvious troll DL

So, Zaku, I take it you're in favor of increased miscegenation? That's the best long-term answer to this problem.

this is true

[zakubandit]

I guess there is a different perspective on racism depending on who you ask. I see a part of racism as a race segregating itself from other races as racist. But I guess I must be alone thinking that there is a big bubble population of blacks who think they are better than whites, that whites aren't worth a damn, are all losers, nerds, worthless, with small penis'. Maybe I imagined that there wasn't a valid white character in any Tyler Perry movie *wife makes me watch that crap*.

[KrazyHorse]

I still think zaku is an obvious troll DL


this is true

I blow hot and cold on you. Right now, I am favourably disposed.