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[Imran Siddiqui]

*snicker* You said "hard"

[zakubandit]

18th Amendment made it constitutional, 21st made it unconstitutional.

How does smoking a plant and allowing illegal entry into national borders *illegal in all countries* make consistency?

Because most illegal immigrants are hard working people who are just trying to make a living. Illegal immigration is a victimless crime. The focus of immigration authorities should be on keeping out criminals, not potential taxpayers.

Thank you Felch, at least you succeeded where Lori failed. As Rockerfeller said in the 30's "many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition" and Laurence Tribe there are two ways, and only two ways, in which an ordinary private citizen ... can violate the United States Constitution. One is to enslave someone, a suitably hellish act. The other is to bring a bottle of beer, wine, or bourbon into a State in violation of its beverage control laws—an act that might have been thought juvenile, and perhaps even lawless, but unconstitutional?" Now our spin on it can be "...bring a joint, bong, or blunt into a State in violation of it's marijuana control laws-an act that might have been juvenile, and perhaps even laweless, but unconstitutional?

So Lori my question was how was it found unconstitutional, which was by all the things that made it repealed; rise in crime rate of bootleggers and speak easys, rise in violence, rise in opposition to prohibition, etc. Well we have a rise in smugglers, now we have a rise in depositories, and we have had a rise in opposition. People voice out for legalization all day every day, some people base their entire careers on it. So why is it still treated like it is a violence causing drug? Or a communist passivising weapon?

Where-in illegally entering a country has numerous ramifications behind it, several that people still ignore, smoking a plant *or inhaling if you vaporize* is victimless. Illegals by pass the legal system completely, "potential taxpayers" prevent themselves from being taxable. Legalization is a massive political movement, it is widely proclaimed as a miracle plant *I agree*, and is moving through legal political channels to allow its legalization. The legalize it movements don't hid the fact that most of them are possible law breakers, they want to law over turned. Illegals don't stand together and say they want our laws changed for their benefit, they would rather we just do the work for them and let them stay without putting it through the works.

I know what I am trying to get at, but the opposition to me is always going to be the same. But your not giving a fair fight, fair comparison. You as an American citizen cannot enter another country without proper documentation, so why let people enter the US without proper documentation? Smoking weed and letting people stay in the country without citizenship, residency, or a visa is not comparable.

[Felch]

Thank you Felch, at least you succeeded where Lori failed. As Rockerfeller said in the 30's "many of our best citizens have openly ignored Prohibition" and Laurence Tribe there are two ways, and only two ways, in which an ordinary private citizen ... can violate the United States Constitution. One is to enslave someone, a suitably hellish act. The other is to bring a bottle of beer, wine, or bourbon into a State in violation of its beverage control laws—an act that might have been thought juvenile, and perhaps even lawless, but unconstitutional?" Now our spin on it can be "...bring a joint, bong, or blunt into a State in violation of it's marijuana control laws-an act that might have been juvenile, and perhaps even laweless, but unconstitutional?

So Lori my question was how was it found unconstitutional, which was by all the things that made it repealed; rise in crime rate of bootleggers and speak easys, rise in violence, rise in opposition to prohibition, etc. Well we have a rise in smugglers, now we have a rise in depositories, and we have had a rise in opposition. People voice out for legalization all day every day, some people base their entire careers on it. So why is it still treated like it is a violence causing drug? Or a communist passivising weapon?

It wasn't "found" unconstitutional. It was simply made unconstitutional through the amendment process. That's what Lori was pointing out to you. Other than that I agree. The comparison is apt, and people who think you can make something disappear with laws are some of the most childish subjects of the nanny state you'll ever meet.

Where-in illegally entering a country has numerous ramifications behind it, several that people still ignore, smoking a plant *or inhaling if you vaporize* is victimless. Illegals by pass the legal system completely, "potential taxpayers" prevent themselves from being taxable. Legalization is a massive political movement, it is widely proclaimed as a miracle plant *I agree*, and is moving through legal political channels to allow its legalization. The legalize it movements don't hid the fact that most of them are possible law breakers, they want to law over turned. Illegals don't stand together and say they want our laws changed for their benefit, they would rather we just do the work for them and let them stay without putting it through the works.

I know what I am trying to get at, but the opposition to me is always going to be the same. But your not giving a fair fight, fair comparison. You as an American citizen cannot enter another country without proper documentation, so why let people enter the US without proper documentation? Smoking weed and letting people stay in the country without citizenship, residency, or a visa is not comparable.

Personally I have no ambition to leave the United States. It's nice here. If other people want to come here, I see no reason why they should be detained. As long as they're decent people, not terrorists or gangsters, I take it as a complement to my homeland that it's so popular for migrants.

I disagree with your contention that the illegals don't want to change the laws. I'm sure most would prefer to be here legally under a more sane regime. As it is, the quotas in place are absurdly low, and people violate them. It's just like prohibition and the war on drugs - you can't legislate something away. All prohibiting something does is drive it underground, make it more dangerous, and more profitable to organized crime.

It's this essential failure of legislation to achieve results that makes me "pro-choice." As a Catholic, I don't believe that abortion is a right - I think it's pretty ****ed up. Mothers should love and protect their children, not consider them to be a nuisance. But I know from experience that banning it won't make it stop. It will only drive it underground and into the hands of seedy elements.

Personally I favor a minimalist government that sticks to things it's good at. The government should focus on keeping people safe from violent crime, enforcing contracts, protecting people from fraud, and stuff like that. I'd rather they not half-ass solutions to problems that don't really exist.

[zakubandit]

The war on drugs is a waste of time, resources, personnel, and money. It's like fighting a fire on the sun, just plain re-tarded. <(Hangover anyone?)

OK fine, if found isn't a suitable word then we can stick with made. It was made unconstitutional. We should make prohibiting marijuana unconstitutional due to the endless list of pros to the short list of cons. Such as hemp place versatility, hemp plant saves soil, hemp oils, hemp medicines, etc. The death toll from us of marijuana um...0. The overdose on marijuana...what? The fact that more prescribed pain killers are addictive, while marijuana is not. Even caffeine is proven more addictive than marijuana. Billions can be made from legalization, give all your favorite illegals a place to work on the farms or after farming market.

I have my stance on immigration, it's gonna stay that way. I have my stance on marijuana, it is also going to stay that way. Abortion, your right woman should love their kids, but I don't believe the state or the national government should be dictating whether or not a mother has to keep her pregnancy going if she doesn't want to. I wouldn't let my wife get an abortion; save for rape or incest, but in the end it should remain personal choice, a personal freedom.

[Dis]

ending prohibition on pot? yeah right.

my state tried twice to legalize it. The fed said they would override us anyways if we passed it. We'd still be tried under federal law.

[Felch]

**** the Feds.

[zakubandit]

See there is that cloud again...states have the "illusion" of doing what they feel is in their constituents' best interests, but really big government has the first, last, and only say in matters. So where did freedom go?

[KrazyHorse]

ending prohibition on pot? yeah right.

my state tried twice to legalize it. The fed said they would override us anyways if we passed it. We'd still be tried under federal law.

Unlike immigration the federal capacity to legislate drug possession/production/use is far from clearly granted in the Constitution. Personally, I think that the interstate commerce clause has been badly abused in granting them this authority.

[zakubandit]

I had to see what KH had to add here...so do my eyes deceive me? Did I misinterpret? KH, do you actually agree that states should have a right to decide whether to legalize or not?

[KrazyHorse]

**** off, zaku. You ****ing *****. If you're going to add me to your ignore list then at least have the balls to resist clicking the "read this post" link. You ****ing gay-ass *****.

[zakubandit]

You are so ashamed of yourself that you agree with me aren't you? Its ok KH, I won't judge you. No reason to lash out at me for it. Besides, in your lashing you show some resent towards gays...did you have a bad experience?

[KrazyHorse]

Grow a pair, you sniveling worm.

Fakeignore

[KrazyHorse]

Ignorant, non-constitution understanding, conspiracy-theorist believing *****.

Why don't you ***** and moan about how your in-laws are mean to you some more.

[KrazyHorse]

Let me know when you stop clicking on my posts again, *****.

[zakubandit]

I see 3 hidden posts...do I dare read them? Is KH really butt hurt? Did he go off on a rant? Don't worry yourself, if you are so shocked and appalled that I was a little curious about what you said, and that you agreed with me, then I won't read any more of your rants. I am curious though, how many *s did you mange to get total out of those 3 posts?