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    Uighurs inspired by Tehran? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8135203.stm

    Scores killed in China protests

    Violence in China's restive western region of Xinjiang has left at least 140 people dead and more than 800 people injured, state media say.

    Several hundred people were also arrested after a protest turned violent in the city of Urumqi on Sunday.

    Beijing says Uighurs went on the rampage but one exiled Uighur leader says police fired on students.

    The protest was reportedly prompted by a deadly fight between Uighurs and Han Chinese in southern China last month.

    The BBC's Chris Hogg in Shanghai says that if the numbers of dead are to be believed - and state media say they may rise - this looks like the bloodiest violence in China since Tiananmen Square 20 years ago.

    It is still unclear who died in the violence and why so many were killed.

    'Foreign plot'

    Uighur exiles said police had fired indiscriminately on a peaceful protest in Urumqi.

    The Xinjiang government blamed separatist Uighurs based abroad for orchestrating attacks on ethnic Han Chinese.

    Eyewitnesses said the violence started on Sunday with a few hundred people, and grew to more than 1,000.

    Xinhua says the protesters carried knives, bricks and batons, smashed cars and stores, and fought with security forces.

    Wu Nong, news director for the Xinjiang government, said more than 260 vehicles were attacked and more than 200 shops and houses damaged. An overnight curfew was imposed.

    BBC sources in China report they have been unable to open the Twitter messaging site in Shanghai and that message boards on Xinjiang on a number of websites were not taking posts.

    Reports from Xinjiang suggest some internet and mobile phone services have been blocked.

    Urumqi resident Han Zhenyu told Reuters news agency there was no access to the internet. A representative of the China Mobile phone service told Associated Press its service was suspended in the region.

    'Dark day'

    Uighur groups insisted their peaceful protest had become victim to state violence.

    UIGHURS AND XINJIANG
    # Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims
    # They make up about 8m of the 20m population
    # China re-established control in 1949 after crushing short-lived state of East Turkestan
    # Since then, large-scale immigration of Han Chinese
    # Uighurs fear erosion of traditional culture
    # Sporadic violence since 1991

    The Uighurs were reportedly angry over an ethnic clash last month in the city of Shaoguan in southern Guangdong province.

    A man there was said to have posted a message on a local website claiming six boys from Xinjiang had "raped two innocent girls".

    Police said the false claim sparked a vicious brawl between Han and Uighur ethnic groups at a factory. Two Uighurs were killed and 118 people were injured.

    However, the Xinjiang government has blamed the latest unrest on businesswoman Rebiya Kadeer, the Uighurs' leader who is living in exile in the United States.

    "An initial investigation showed the violence was masterminded by the separatist World Uighur Congress led by Rebiya Kadeer," the government said in a statement, according to Xinhua.

    It said that the violence had been "instigated and directed from abroad".

    The vice-president of the US-based Uighur American Association, Alim Seytoff, condemned the "heavy-handed" actions of the security forces.

    "We ask the international community to condemn China's killing of innocent Uighurs. This is a very dark day in the history of the Uighur people," he said.

    The BBC's Quentin Sommerville in China says Xinjiang, a mainly Muslim area, has been a source of tension for many years.

    Some of its Uighur population of about eight million, want to break away from China, and its majority Han Chinese population.

    The authorities say police are securing order across the region and anyone creating a disturbance will be detained and punished.

  • #2
    'Foreign plot'.

    That's always the first claim repressive governments make no matter what the truth is. Iran: "Our people aren't pissed off that we rigged elections and instead it is all a foreign plot!" China: "The Uighers aren't upset at our repressive policies towards them and that we promote han colonization of their lands so this must all be a foreign plot!"

    What a load of horse ****.
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    • #3
      Actual violence with Muslims and Communists involved? Well now I've seen everything.

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      • #4
        Free Tibet

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        • #5
          Those furrin plotters surely have lotsa stuff to do these days. I wonder what they plot next.
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          • #6
            Seems they have already begun cooking up excuses for invading Bavaria:

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            • #7
              Invading Bavaria? Where can I sign up for this?
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              • #8
                It's about time China takes its shares in fighting Muslims.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by One_more_turn View Post
                  It's about time China takes its shares in fighting Muslims.
                  Then you're certainly proud of those:

                  Chinese rampage against Uighurs

                  Quentin Sommerville: "Most extraordinary scene"

                  Groups of ethnic Han Chinese have marched through the city of Urumqi carrying clubs and machetes, as tension grows between ethnic groups and police.

                  Security forces fired tear gas to disperse the Chinese, who said they were protesting against violence carried out by ethnic Muslim Uighurs.

                  Earlier, Uighur women had rallied against the arrest of more than 1,400 people over deadly clashes on Sunday.

                  The two sides blame each other for the outbreak of violence.

                  Officials say 156 people - mostly ethnic Han Chinese - died in Sunday's violence that erupted when Uighur protesters attacked vehicles before turning on local Han Chinese and battling security forces in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang province.

                  More than 1,000 were injured. Uighur groups say many more have died, claiming 90% of the dead were Uighurs.

                  BBC map

                  The unrest was apparently sparked by a brawl between Uighurs and Han Chinese several weeks earlier in a toy factory thousands of miles away in Guandong province.

                  On Tuesday about 200 Uighurs - mostly women - faced off against riot police to appeal for more than 1,400 people arrested over Sunday's violence to be freed.

                  Later hundreds of Han Chinese marched through the streets of Urumqi smashing shops and stalls belonging to Uighurs.

                  Police used loudspeakers to urge the crowd to stop and later fired tear gas, as the Han Chinese confronted groups of Uighurs.


                  UIGHURS AND XINJIANG
                  Xinjiang population is 45% Uighur, 40% Han Chinese
                  Uighurs are ethnically Turkic Muslims
                  China re-established control in 1949 after crushing short-lived state of East Turkestan
                  Since then, large-scale immigration of Han Chinese
                  Sporadic violence since 1991
                  Attack on 4 Aug 2008 near Kashgar kills 16 Chinese policemen

                  In pictures: Xinjiang protests
                  Q&A: China and the Uighurs
                  China tells its own story
                  Accounts of Xinjiang violence

                  Reuters news agency reported that some Chinese protesters shouted "attack Uighurs" as both sides threw stones at each other.

                  One Chinese protester, clutching a metal bar, told the AFP news agency: "The Uighurs came to our area to smash things, now we are going to their area to beat them."

                  The authorities have tried to crack down on dissent since Sunday's protests, carrying out mass arrests and restricting media access.

                  State-run news agency Xinhua quoted Urumqi's Communist Party chief as describing Sunday's unrest as the "deadliest riot since New China was founded in 1949".

                  Li Zhi promised to punish the perpetrators, saying: "The rioters violated laws and harmed the fundamental interests of all Chinese ethnic groups."
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                    'Foreign plot'.

                    That's always the first claim repressive governments make no matter what the truth is. Iran: "Our people aren't pissed off that we rigged elections and instead it is all a foreign plot!" China: "The Uighers aren't upset at our repressive policies towards them and that we promote han colonization of their lands so this must all be a foreign plot!"
                    You forgot to mention "Saddam and bin Laden as allies" and "Iraq's WMDs justify a war". If tremulous political excuses are a hallmark of modern government, then those two nations are just studying from the American example.

                    Back on topic: The Chinese gov't is rapidly running out of options here. The true equitable solution would be to institute longterm policies that would ensure better economic treatment of Uighurs. But the fact that they've been shipping large numbers of Han Chinese to the area suggests a strong element of bad faith and an intent to rule by majority demographics-packing.

                    Now the fat's in the fire and Uighur patience for a peaceful solution seems exhausted. Much will depend on whether it's a vocal minority of Uighurs who led the violence, or the majority sentiment. If it's just a minority, Beijing may be able to reassert some modicum of peaceful coexistence through an immediate review of the controversial socioeconomic policies. If it's a majority of the Uighur who are intractably opposed, then diplomacy's time has passed.

                    Nothing the American government hasn't done, of course. The only problem here is that the Chinese are two centuries too late, when partitioning ethnic minorities and sticking them in reservations has gone out of vogue. Maybe they can give them some blankets infected with SARS, like in that South Park episode.
                    "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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                    • #11
                      First Iran, then Honduras, and now China?

                      What will be the next country to face an uprising?
                      A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                      • #12
                        I was wondering when someone would mention the US in an attempt to mitigate China's behavior here. Gratz on being the first, AC. Double gratz on coming up with a way to apply it where it doesn't make sense.
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                        • #13
                          Who's mitigating? I'm in full agreement that the Chinese gov't fvcked up.

                          My point is not so much that "the Americans did it, therefore it makes it okay" moreso that "the Americans did it and everybody appears to have forgotten in their sanctimonious outrage".
                          "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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                          • #14
                            No, it's closer to "the Americans did it 150 years ago and everyone appears to have forgotten because EVERYBODY WHO WAS ALIVE THEN IS DEAD." i.e. for the same reason nobody remembers that Nebuchadnezzar did it.

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                            • #15
                              ...So, it's okay to blow off slavery because all the black people who were enslaved in history are now dead?
                              "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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