[serious] Docfeelgood's General Swine Flu Thread

[Aeson]

Some 94,000 people have died of swine flu and over 429 have been infected ...

21911% mortality rate! OMG!

[Aeson]

Hmmmm... I smell a Zionist conspiracy here...

21911... that's 2001 9 11, with the zeros left out. Everyone knows that Hebrew letters had numbers associated with them, but there was no representation for 0.

Also, the Bible tells us, "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he [is] unclean to you." - Lev 11:7

Dirty pigs... pig flu... 9/11... it all adds up!

[Guynemer]

But experts fear the number of infected people may be much higher than those confirmed.

...which would lower the mortality rate considerably.

[SlowwHand]

Just face the facts. We're going to die. Might as well get your mind right.

[Space05us]

But the worry that the H1N1 virus will mutate into a more severe strain—as did the strain causing the 1918 flu pandemic that killed more than 50 million people worldwide—may be justified. So far, there's no evidence of that happening. "Surveillance coming in from Australia, New Zealand, and Argentina, all in early winter, so far shows that this is the same virus," says Schaffner. That means if the virus strain continues along the same course and doesn't mutate, we don't need to be hypervigilant about flu precautions this winter. Still, he adds, "we're still watching it like a hawk."

http://health.usnews.com/blogs/on-women/2009/07/08/think-you-have-swine-flu-what-to-do.html

[SpencerH]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31764278...lth-swine_flu/


Some 94,000 people have died of swine flu and over 429 have been infected, according to the latest totals by the WHO. But experts fear the number of infected people may be much higher than those confirmed.

Why would any "experts" fear that the morbidity and mortality rate for this virus is much lower than expected?

What may be truly interesting is why the mortality rate appears much higher in Mexico than in the USA i.e. is there a genetic susceptibilty at work here.

[SlowwHand]

We put the flu strain in the Rio Grande.

[SpencerH]

Another example of a failed Bush-administration plot.

[Docfeelgood]

Warning issued against swine flu complacency

Updated at 2:44pm on 11 July 2009

Massey University is warning people not to underestimate the seriousness of swine flu.

The warning is based on research showing a higher death rate in some countries than first thought.

Professor Mick Roberts, of the university's institute of information and mathematical sciences, says early reports suggested the United States and Canada were experiencing lower death rates from swine flu than Mexico, where the virus first broke out.

But that, he says, has been disproved by a research project with which he has been involved in the Netherlands.

Professor Roberts says the death rate from swine flu is similar in all three countries, with about 0.4% of all confirmed cases resulting in death.

He says people should not underestimate the seriousness of the virus.

Professor Roberts thinks health authorities here are managing the virus correctly, but he warns the influenza season has not yet reached its peak in New Zealand.

There are 1555 confirmed cases of swine flu in New Zealand so far, though the true number is likely to be greater. There have been six deaths in which swine flu was a factor.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/storie...1/1245bbb31b6a

[notyoueither]

Are we dead yet?

[Space05us]

0.4%

There have been six deaths in which swine flu was a factor.

[Docfeelgood]

Swine flu deaths in UK double as country now has third highest number of cases in the world

The number of Britons who have died after contracting swine flu has almost doubled in two days to 14, officials said yesterday.

London is days away from an epidemic with the West Midlands not far behind.

Britain has the third highest number of confirmed cases of the virus in the world, just behind Mexico - where the outbreak began.As the shocking figures were released a leaked internal memo warned last night that the NHS is not ready to deal with a swine flu epidemic because of 'muddled' emergency plans and time-wasting bureaucracy.

A senior trust executive condemned some crisis measures as 'contradictory' and 'a complete waste of time'.

The creation of Tamiflu vouchers - a key weapon in the Government's fight against the killer flu - could in fact slow the distribution of the antiviral drugs, the correspondence said.

Rather than setting up a costly process that asks people to download vouchers from the internet, existing prescription forms would distribute Tamiflu just as quickly, it suggested.

The leaked memo was penned by a senior official responsible for crisis planning and was not meant for the public domain.

In it, the official criticised the Government’s 'muddled thinking' in advising health authorities how to implement the new phase, in which people get diagnoses by contacting a national call centre.

Instructions for the so-called new phase were described as 'a total fudge'.

Chief Medical Officer Sir Liam Donaldson said yesterday that 14 had died so far of what was believed to be swine flu.

He would not give details of where the five latest cases were. All had underlying health problems.

Sir Liam said there were 335 people in hospital in England with swine flu of whom 43 are in critical care.

Laboratory tests showed that yesterday there were 9,718 confirmed cases in the UK. This was just behind Mexico, with 10,262 cases. The U.S. is in the lead with 33,902 confirmed cases. However, Sir Liam admitted it was unknown how many in the UK were suffering from the virus as many would be treating themselves at home rather than contacting their GP.

We do know something about the people seeking help from the NHS but there will be many other people who look after themselves,' he said.

He said latest data from 100 GP surgeries around England showed that about 27,000 people per week were being diagnosed as having a flu-like illness. Of these, an estimated 8,000 will have swine flu.

The number of flu cases being seen every week works out at 51.9 per 100,000 people.

However, in London the rate is 180 per 100,000 - just short of the 200 cases that denotes an epidemic. In the West Midlands the rate is 140 per 100,000 cases.

Peter Holden, who has helped draw up the pandemic plans with the British Medical Association, last night denied that emergency measures were confusing.

He said: 'There is not confusion, but with an organisation as large as the NHS you will have some problems with people getting the wrong end of the stick.'

But he admitted that Tamiflu vouchers seemed to be 'a needless waste of money when prescriptions could do the same job'.

Ian Dalton, national director of flu resilience at the Department of Health, said last night: 'Locally, the NHS has been coping very well with the challenges it has faced so far. However, now that we have moved into the treatment phase, further clear guidance has been provided to the NHS on its roles and responsibilities.

'Although this is being centrally led, the local NHS clearly must ensure that these plans are implemented in a way that meets local needs.'

Last week, Health Secretary Andy Burnham warned that by the end of August some 100,000 people will be coming down with the virus every day.

He moved the country on to treatment mode, which means those with flu symptoms will be encouraged to quarantine themselves at home and get a friend to pick up anti-viral drugs for them.

Sir Liam said that was still the most accurate prediction to date of what will happen. It is widely expected that the number of cases will see a surge in the winter months when flu is more prevalent.

About 15 per cent of calls to NHS Direct are currently about colds and flu, he added.

Today it emerged that a third case had been recorded of the swine flu virus becoming resistant to Tamiflu, the major drug to combat it.

The new case was in Hong Kong, to add to further cases in Japan and Denmark.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ses-world.html

[notyoueither]

I wouldn't be inclined to be laughing.

Healthy adults with no history of medical problems are croaking from this bug.

It does not seem to be a normal flu. Only saving grace is that it is not as infectious as earlier mass murdering contagions.

Reading reports from 1918-19, people would meet on the street, shake hands, go home and die shortly thereafter.

[Solomwi]

The number of Britons who have died after contracting swine flu has almost doubled in two days to 14, officials said yesterday.

[notyoueither]

dread could become an outbreak rivaling a 1918 flu pandemic that killed tens of millions of people. ... Unlike seasonal flu, which kills tens of thousands of toddlers and the elderly each year, H1N1 has mostly sickened young adults and been deadliest in older children and teens. Experts worry that it could mutate into strains for which most people have no immunity.

Why is it that people compare this flu to the 1918 flu? The 1918 flu killed healthy people, this flu is killing people with other medical problems that are causing complications. I have yet to read a report that states "Perfectly healthy 25 year old dies from piggy flu".

Of very few cases, one of the fatalities around here was a 40ish woman with no medical history.

Another was a fairly healthy middle aged man.

This is not the normal flu that carries off nursing home patients.