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    So we have Obama's nominee for the Supreme Court, Sotomayor. She has been known to be biased towards Hispanics in general and is now receiving backlash for recent and dated comments. She has been known to say that she believes a "wise Latina" would make a better decision than a "white man." In the liberal media the part with the "white man" is commonly removed for something less provoking, as to not make people mad or notice the fact that she had said it.

    Now, I have read a few of her rulings and found that she doesn't always base her judgments off of what is right or legal, but more over a lean towards what she believes. Judges are supposed to follow the law as the law is written and give their aspect in the outside chance that the law doesn't have explicit rules dictating. In the bigger case, the fire fighters examination, I believe that she made a bad call. But under her judgment it should be that if someone of a group of people does bad on a standard test to all employees that the test results can be thrown out. SAT's for example, if say 1000 students take the SAT's and 200 of them are black and another 200 are Hispanic and the other 600 are white, and the scores come back that a fair majority of the minority groups came in with a sub standard score that the scores for all would be thrown out. That this means the test is biased.

    I seem to remember in school we had to study for tests to get a good grade, that being white didn't make it any easier for me to pass a test. I was horrible at math and did lousy with D's or F's a lot of the time. With history and English I always scored well, A's and B's, because I would study them *I enjoyed them* and I was naturally better with English. So when a black student did better than me on a math test I didn't raise a stink because I knew I didnt study enough.

    Tests are not designed according to race, so if the minorities of the fire fighter test failed to get adequate scores it means that they just didn't study hard enough. And that the whites did. Is that hard to believe? That if you study for a test you will pass? Doesn't seem like it.

    So now shes a nominee for the Supreme Court, she is already shown she is biased towards Hispanics, and she has mad lousy calls before. But nope, shes Hispanic and a woman so we shouldn't scrutinize her at all. We should heed the president's wish to move fast and get her in. I don't think so. The reason for seperation of power is that the President cannot tell the others what to do, he wants them to move fast....that makes people make mistakes and just make an answer to finish things. I would prefer that someone who will be in the high court of the land to have major scrutiny and for the deciders to make a fair, just, and well thought out decision.

    She is in debt, she is biased, she has said she believes she makes better choices than white men. How is she a good choice?
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
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  • #2
    Okay, who are you?
    "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
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    • #3
      Oh yes, and of her comments, the White House has said that on occasion she would have worded the comment differently. For example, had she of known in the 90's and 00's that she would be a Supreme Court nominee she would have never of said those comments so that people wouldn't say she is biased. She would have worded them differently? Meaning she would have covered up her true beliefs to put a sheet over the eyes of the people? Lie to us? Oh yea, good call White House and Obama, she worded it one way and that's how it is. She can't change it now.
      "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
      "I can merely plead that I'm in the presence of a superior being."- KrazyHorse

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      • #4
        Who am I? An independent, a veteran, a US citizen, and a teacher. Just call me Zaku.
        "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
        "I can merely plead that I'm in the presence of a superior being."- KrazyHorse

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        • #5
          I'm sorry. I wasn't clear before.

          I mean, who are you, really?

          Registered in 2005, and less than 20 posts so far; you're obviously someone's DL.
          "My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
          "The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud

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          • #6
            If these instances of bias are probably true, even if unproven by the letter of the law then it is clear she is not the right person for such an important job as a Supreme Court Judge. I have no way of making the judgement of bias myself though.

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            • #7
              Ok gotcha. Yea I registered in 05 when I was still in Korea in the Army and I never got to post much cause, um Army is busy work. And then I completely lost touch...deployment, and then family. Now I am out and an EFL teacher in China, gives me a lot of free time. I am back into BtS, and other games, and have time at my desk to post on forums. So now I have a long ways to go to get to where my profile would be had I of not of lost touch.
              "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
              "I can merely plead that I'm in the presence of a superior being."- KrazyHorse

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              • #8
                The only relevant question in her appointment is her views on the law. Both sides play identity politics all the time. The question is whether she's good at her job. If so, explain why; if not, explain why. Cite some ****ing cases while you're at it. Or shut the **** up.
                "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                  The only relevant question in her appointment is her views on the law. Both sides play identity politics all the time. The question is whether she's good at her job. If so, explain why; if not, explain why. Cite some ****ing cases while you're at it. Or shut the **** up.
                  If it wasn't for your location of Melbourne I would say your a bit of a liberal. Only liberals attack independents in such a manor, the vulgarity and demands. In counter I ask you this, give me good reasons why she WOULD be a good pick, I will give you why she would not.

                  2001, at the annual Judge Mario G. Olmos Law and Cultural Diversity Lecture at the University of California, Berkeley:

                  "Whether born from experience or inherent physiological or cultural differences, a possibility I abhor less or discount less than my colleague Judge Cedarbaum, our gender and national origins may and will make a difference in our judging. Justice O'Connor has often been cited as saying that a wise old man and wise old woman will reach the same conclusion in deciding cases. I am not so sure Justice O'Connor is the author of that line since Professor Resnik attributes that line to Supreme Court Justice Coyle. I am also not so sure that I agree with the statement. First, as Professor Martha Minow has noted, there can never be a universal definition of wise. Second, I would hope that a wise Latina woman with the richness of her experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a white male who hasn't lived that life."
                  ----This is a use of her ideal that white men who do not grow up in The Bronx do not have the same insight of life as her and thus not as competent.

                  Information of her college years

                  In the fall of 1976, Sotomayor entered Yale Law School, again on a scholarship and again to a place with very few Latinos. (Her admittance had been based on her undergraduate record, with her ethnic background having little to do with it according to some claims, but this is disputed by Sotomayer, who states that she is an "affirmative action baby" and "it would have been highly questionable if I would have been accepted" based on her test scores)

                  Doninger v. Niehof

                  First Amendment rights of a student when it barred her from running for student government after she called the superintendent and other school officials "douchebags" in a blog post written while off-campus. Sotomayor was on a three-judge panel where the district judge found that the student's speech "foreseeably create[d] a risk of substantial disruption within the school environment." This basically says that the First Amendment doesn't apply.

                  Sotomayor was a member of a 2008 Second Circuit panel in the high-profile case Ricci v. DeStefano that upheld the right of the City of New Haven to throw out its test for firefighters and start over with a new test, because the City believed the test had a "disparate impact" on minority firefighters. (No black firefighters qualified for promotion under the test, whereas some had qualified under tests used in previous years.) The City was concerned that minority firefighters might sue under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Several white firefighters and one Hispanic firefighter who had passed the test, including the lead plaintiff who has dyslexia and had put much extra effort into studying, sued the City of New Haven, claiming that their rights were violated.

                  These are a few reasons I believe she is a bad choice. She is biased towards minorities, even when it is unjust. She has shown that the Amendments don't apply in some cases if she doesn't believe they do. She is a bad choice.
                  "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the Blood of Patriots and tyrants" Thomas Jefferson
                  "I can merely plead that I'm in the presence of a superior being."- KrazyHorse

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                  • #10
                    He did, not well, but referenced some firefighter case.

                    Personally I would say 'give me more details'. But he has said something, you can respond if you would like.

                    JM
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                    • #11
                      If it wasn't for your location of Melbourne I would say your a bit of a liberal. Only liberals attack independents in such a manor, the vulgarity and demands. In c


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                      • #12
                        Genius. I love it. Thumbs up to whoever's it is.
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #13
                          My apologies for the rudeness. I know you're a DL of some type but I'll continue this discussion anyway.

                          RE: the firefighters case--what you've done here is quote a summary of the facts, rather than discuss the case, the relevant law, and why you think her decision was wrong.

                          "First Amendment rights of a student when it barred her from running for student government after she called the superintendent and other school officials "douchebags" in a blog post written while off-campus. Sotomayor was on a three-judge panel where the district judge found that the student's speech "foreseeably create[d] a risk of substantial disruption within the school environment." This basically says that the First Amendment doesn't apply."

                          You fail to mention one thing--that the student was calling on his fellow students to 'piss off' the administrator by calling him. This was present in the wikipedia article you otherwise copied verbatim.
                          However, it seems reasonable to me that if a student calls on others to disrupt the life of a teacher or principal, then disciplinary action should follow. The student is calling for harassment after all. This is a reasonable limit to freedom of speech. If that was the basis of her decision, then in my view it was absolutely right. I say this, without having actually read the case or fully understanding its facts. Don't have the time atm--studying for exams.
                          "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                          • #14
                            A wise Latina will make better decisions than most people. Why? Because she's wise not because she's Latina. A wise white man will make better decisions than most people for the same reason.

                            That's why none of you will be judges, Cuz you're dumb.
                            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                            • #15
                              the only guys who are feeding this troll are the ones who wish these kinds of flame warriors exist

                              1.2/10

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