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  • #76
    You'll be dead by then, Oerdin. I hate to bring it up, but that's a fact.
    Sprawl will be there for you.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #77
      Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
      Why ? Switching from old fashioned gasguzzlers to more efficient cars would actually make it cheaper to drive and the state gets a nice new tax.
      Dan is just upset that he'd have to replace his 1996 Guzzle-O-Matic 5000 with something that gets more then 2 miles to the gallon.
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      • #78
        good riddance

        crappy cars.

        Toyota ftw. If I had to buy american I'd buy dodge. My old dodge truck (which I sold to my brother) is still going. 95 Dodge Ram. Over 110,000 miles. No major problems (knocks on wood). And the heat here is brutal on vehicles (especially a black vehicle which my truck was/is). Ford is doing well, and lots of people seem to like them. But the few months I owned my Mustang I wasn't impressed. I should not be having problems with a brand new car. . Sometimes I miss the power of that thing (300 hp), but I have a feeling I would have inherited a bunch of problems.

        The goverment shouldn't have bailed them out. If you make crappy cars, you deserve to fail. We really only need 2 automakers in the U.S. anyways.

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        • #79
          Competition. It's a good thing.
          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Dis View Post
            We really only need 2 automakers in the U.S. anyways.
            Honda and Toyota.
            John Brown did nothing wrong.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
              Why ? Switching from old fashioned gasguzzlers to more efficient cars would actually make it cheaper to drive and the state gets a nice new tax.
              Well mostly because it'd make our investment in GM even more useless. That... and we aren't out of the recession yet.

              Personally I'm for a higher gas tax... but this isn't the optimal time.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View Post
                Well mostly because it'd make our investment in GM even more useless. That... and we aren't out of the recession yet.
                Are you saying that the new GM should do as the old - that is making cars with low fuel effiency that can't compete with almost all other producers ?

                About the recession, well, during the last year, here the price has gone up some 25 cents per liter without any harm, so I guess that even US can handle similar.
                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                • #83
                  ""As a privately held company, it's likely we're not going to disclose information except to the shareholders," Ray Young, GM chief financial officer, said Tuesday."

                  I guess this means they'll tell the US public everything, right?

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                    Why ? Switching from old fashioned gasguzzlers to more efficient cars would actually make it cheaper to drive and the state gets a nice new tax.
                    Why do you want to punish people for driving? Especially poorer people?

                    Gasoline taxes need to go up to cover road construction/maintenance and externalities. Something like 40 cents a gallon.
                    I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      This is such bull ****ing ****
                      And it's merely an expression of a wish. Obama has said he wants to have GM traded publicly in about a half year. Further, the congress will be on them like white on rice. Congresscritters have nothing better to do than draft long lists of pointless questions for gov't activities. Also, they will be getting a corporate cavity search in bankruptcy court (most/all documents will be public).

                      So don't worry about it.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by DanS View Post
                        Also, they will be getting a corporate cavity search in bankruptcy court (most/all documents will be public).
                        Both the GM CFO and myself were refering to the transparency of the company that emerges from Chapter 11. I also got a laugh from them refering to themselves as a private company.
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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DanS View Post
                          Why do you want to punish people for driving? Especially poorer people?
                          I don't want to punish people for driving - I want to punish people for driving in cars that isn't efficient.
                          With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                            I don't want to punish people for driving - I want to punish people for driving in cars that isn't efficient.
                            We'll be driving Yugos and Prius soon enough the way CAFE standards have been revised. Be patient.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
                            For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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                            • #89
                              Wonder if GM can spin this.

                              "Buy GM, you own this company anyway"?
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                                We'll be driving Yugos and Prius soon enough the way CAFE standards have been revised. Be patient.
                                Well, a fuel tax increase could increase the speed of this transition
                                With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                                Steven Weinberg

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