The revenge of Joe Biden?

[Patroklos]

Abortion is about womens rights, which is part of civil rights.

No, its not.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Abortion is about womens rights, which is part of civil rights.

Problem is that it is also (for the other side), about unborn rights. So you have rights against rights.

[DinoDoc]

They are in the UK, Europe and other political climates where religion is properly separated from politics.

You probably also didn't have a court system that sought to poison and harden the debate over the abortion issue.

[MikeH]

Problem is that it is also (for the other side), about unborn rights. So you have rights against rights.

So it's still a civil rights issue then, just a more complicated one.

[Drake Tungsten]

Drake doesn't know that much about civil rights issues as he thinks he does.

Probably not. I still know a lot more than you, though.

[MrFun]

Then feel free to answer my questions in my other post.

[Drake Tungsten]

We've answered them all before; GP explained it well to you just a few weeks ago. You don't seem interested in actually learning the truth, though. Too bad...

[MrFun]

Right. It was only a coincidence that white Southerners went over to Republican party during civil rights movement. The civil rights movement had nothing to do with this demographic-political change.

Got it.

[Drake Tungsten]

The civil rights movement had nothing to do with this demographic-political change.

Exactly. It was only after the civil rights movement achieved its mission that Southerners began to drift to the Republican party that better represented their economic and social viewpoints. Democratic racism kept the South blue much longer than would've been the case otherwise.

It was only a coincidence that white Southerners went over to Republican party during civil rights movement.

They went over after the civil right movement.

[MrFun]

Okay - replace the word "during" with "after" then.

Even given that this change took place after the civil rights movement, you cannot tell me that the aftermath of civil rights movement had nothing to do with the demographic-political change among white Southerners. It was a racist counterreaction movement, which is why Richard Nixon sought to appeal to white Southerners during his campaign with promise to reverse or delay effect of civil rights legislation. Which is also why such a significantly greater number of minority group members now follow the Democratic party rather than the Republican party; it's one of the legacies of the civil rights movement.

During or after - does not chnage the validity of my argument. If you only want to focus on Democrats who were racist during this time period, how do you explain the fact that black voters in Nortern cities began to shift to Democratic party during Great Depression? The effforts of Martin Luther King Jr. to work with Lyndon B. Johnson on civil rights issues during 1960s?

[MrFun]

And another point - right for women to have abortion, and equal rights protection for gays and lesbians are most certainly civil rights issues. You can also draw some legitimate parallels with that of the civil rights movement among blacks. Some blacks such as Jesse Jackson believe in drawing such comparisons. Unless I'm mistakened, Loretta Scott King also supported equal rights for gays and lesbians?

Face it - gays and lesbians do not have equal civil rights protection in United States yet. Which is why we see our struggle as a civil rights struggle/movement.

[Drake Tungsten]

Which is also why such a significantly greater number of minority group members now follow the Democratic party rather than the Republican party; it's one of the legacies of the civil rights movement.

No, it isn't. Minorities were already majority Democratic back in the New Deal coalition. The fact that the Democrats finally gave up on institutionalized racism in the 60s simply allowed the few remaining black holdouts to vote without shame for the Democratic party that best represented their economic and social viewpoints.

how do you explain the fact that black voters in Nortern cities began to shift to Democratic party during Great Depression?

Because the Democratic party best represented their economic and social viewpoints. This isn't rocket science...

[MrFun]

And what social viewpoints might some of those had been at that time if not support for civil rights protection and legislation among non-racist Democrats?

I'm not arguing with you though, that the other part of explanation in Great Depression was basic econnomic interests.