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    ...telescope?

    Airbus vs. Boeing sillyness was yesterday, now it's Hubby errr Hubble vs. Herschel sillyness

    Europe's Herschel and Planck telescopes have blasted into space on an Ariane 5 rocket from Kourou in French Guiana.

    The satellites are being sent into orbit to gather fundamental new insights into the nature of the cosmos.

    The Ariane thundered clear of the launch pad at 1312 GMT (1412 BST) - its flight lasting just under half an hour.

    Mission controllers in Germany made contact with the telescopes over the Indian Ocean once they had separated from the rocket's upper-stage.

    The acquisition of the signals, relayed through ground stations in Australia, will have been a moment of huge relief for everyone connected with the two observatory projects.

    Their combined programme cost is 1.9bn euros (£1.7bn; $2.5bn), which made Herschel and Planck the highest value payload the European Space Agency's (Esa) science division had ever put on a single rocket.

    "The launch today is just one step in a long chain of decisions and a fantastic amount of work by thousands of scientists and engineers," said agency director-general Jean-Jacques Dordain.

    It's possible we could find a signature from before the Big Bang; or it's possible we could find the signature of another Universe
    Prof George Efstathiou, Cambridge University

    "All these scientists and engineers have worked together with just one objective, which is to discover the unknown and to make the technologies that are necessary to make this scientific progress."

    The ascent through the Earth's atmosphere was just the first stage in what will be a long journey for the astronomical satellites.

    They will spend the next two-to-three months making their way out to observation positions some 1.5 million km from Earth on its "night side".

    The long cruise will allow engineers to check out sub-systems and commission the telescopes' instruments. One of the first things controllers have to do is to get a precise description of the telescopes' orbits.

    The Ariane is an excellent rocket but the satellites will almost certainly need some correction to their flight paths to be sure of making the proper transition to deep space. To save fuel, the controllers would like to make these correction manoeuvres as early as possible, perhaps on Friday.

    Birth of stars

    Herschel is the largest telescope anyone has put in space.

    Its 3.5m-diameter primary mirror is one-and-a-half-times the size of Hubble's main reflector.

    Such size would ordinarily incur a huge weight penalty but the Herschel mirror has been kept to just 350kg by constructing it from silicon carbide, a novel ceramic material.

    HERSCHEL SPACE TELESCOPE
    Herschel (Esa)
    Herschel was released first from the Ariane rocket's upper-stage
    The observatory is tuned to see the Universe in the far-infrared
    Its 3.5m diameter mirror will be the largest ever flown in space
    Herschel can probe clouds of gas and dust to see stars being born
    It will investigate how galaxies have evolved through time
    The mission will end when all the superfluid helium boils off

    Telescope seeks cold cosmos

    The telescope will be sensitive to far-infrared and sub-millimetre (radio) wavelengths of light, allowing it to peer through clouds of dust and gas to see stars at the moment they are born.

    This infrared capability will also enable Herschel to look deep into space, to gaze at those galaxies that thrived when the Universe was roughly a half to a fifth of its present age. It is a period in cosmic history when it is thought star formation was at its most prolific.

    "Herschel is going to help us understand much, much better how stars form right now and how they have been forming throughout billions of years of cosmic history; and therefore, indirectly, it's going to help us understand how our own Sun and our own Solar System formed," Dr Göran Pilbratt, Esa's Herschel project scientist, told BBC News.

    The spacecraft carries an enormous flask of "superfluid" helium to chill its instruments and detectors close to minus 273C (or "absolute zero", the point beyond which no further cooling is possible).

    "We are observing at long wavelengths where all warm objects glow, so we need to cool the telescope and the instruments as much as possible, otherwise the weak signals we are trying to detect from the sky will be totally swamped by radiation emitted by the telescope itself," said Professor Matt Griffin from Herschel's Spire instrument team.

    'Uncertain' physics

    Planck is a survey telescope. It will spin to map the sky at even longer wavelengths of light - in the microwave portion of the electromagnetic spectrum.

    It will make the finest ever measurements of what has become known as the Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB).

    The CMB is the "oldest light" in the Universe. It is all around us and comes from a time 380,000 years after the Big Bang.

    PLANCK SPACE TELESCOPE
    Planck (Esa)
    Planck spins to make its sky maps
    Planck will survey the famous Cosmic Microwave Background
    This ancient light's origins date to 380,000 years after the Big Bang
    It informs scientists about the age, contents and shape of the cosmos
    Planck's measurements will be finer than any previous satellite
    The extra detail may confirm inflation, even find new physics

    Planck prepares to go super-cold

    Scientists say there are temperature variations in this ancient heat energy that can give them insights into the early structure of the Universe. Planck will be the third spacecraft to investigate the CMB, after Nasa's COBE and WMAP satellites.

    "Planck has the sharpest sight so far; it has the most sensitive instruments and the widest frequency range; and it will therefore make that next big step," explained Esa's project scientist on the mission, Dr Jan Tauber.

    "It will allow us to pin down all the basic characteristics of the Universe with very high accuracy - its age, its contents, how it evolved, its geometry, etc."

    One key question facing Planck concerns "inflation". This is the faster than light expansion that cosmologists believe the Universe experienced in its first, fleeting moments.

    Theory predicts this event ought to be "imprinted" in the CMB and the detail should be retrievable with sufficiently sensitive instruments. Planck is designed to have that capability.

    Planck investigator Professor George Efstathiou from Cambridge University, UK, thinks the telescope could throw up fundamentally new discoveries.

    "We will be probing regimes that have never been studied before where the physics is very, very uncertain," he said.

    "It's possible we could find a signature from before the Big Bang; or it's possible we could find the signature of another Universe and then we'd have experimental evidence that we are part of a multi-verse."
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  • #2
    to the EU for figuring out how to launch rockets without them self-destructing.
    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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    • #3
      Better to have a rocket self destruct than an entire space shuttle though.
      You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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      • #4
        ...Panda Tickler?
        Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Asher View Post
          to the EU for figuring out how to launch rockets without them self-destructing.
          Yeah, Canada has still a long way to go
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          • #6
            This thing is not a visual-wavelength telescope, so the mirror size is not comparable to Hubble. But cool, nonetheless.

            The James Webb Space Telescope, to be launched in about 5 years, will have a primary mirror dwarfing this telescope -- 6.5m diameter. I've seen a model of it and it's pretty impressively large.
            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BeBro View Post
              ...telescope?

              Airbus vs. Boeing sillyness was yesterday, now it's Hubby errr Hubble vs. Herschel sillyness

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              • #8
                Originally posted by BeBro View Post
                Yeah, Canada has still a long way to go
                We just send our guys up on US shuttles.
                "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                • #9
                  Nice way to dodge the cost of the space program. DanS must be furious
                  You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Krill View Post
                    Nice way to dodge the cost of the space program. DanS must be furious
                    Not only that, it's probably a net positive on Canada's economy. We've got some companies that supply technology to NASA, and do so at a profit (eg, Canadarm, Canadarm2).
                    "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                    Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                    • #11
                      And you think Europe is stupid?
                      You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Krill View Post
                        And you think Europe is stupid?
                        Yes.

                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          Your point?

                          You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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                          • #14
                            The first was a result of blatant stupidity in design. The second a broken seal.
                            "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                            Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                            • #15
                              I'm just suprised you don't think Americans are stupid.

                              I mean, how hard is it to check for broken seals?
                              You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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