Thread for Che: Communism resurgent in Japan

[curtsibling]

Yes - Japanese commies are fake.

They haven't even executed whole classes of people or anything!

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[chequita guevara]

Neither have any other commies.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Interesting thought:

If something went haywire and the Communists actually took control of Japan, wouldn't that stand to really hurt relations with China?

The Chinese Communist party is basically running a massive unfettered free market-econoomics, authoritarian-politics state. The Japanese Communist party looks like it's more likely to lead to a socialist-economics, democratic-politics state.

[chequita guevara]

Since the JCP doesn't challenge the rule of the market or private property, there would be little reason for China to be upset.

When I say the JCP aren't real commies, I'm not being sectarian. They don't promote socialism, let alone revolutionary socialism. At best, they stand for capitalism with a better welfare state.

[Alinestra Covelia]

Where do the Japanese (former, I guess) megacorps fit into the political spectrum? From what I understand, they're largely cradle-to-grave welfare entities that support much of the lifelong demands of their salarymen, including financial planning, home ownership, retirement savings plans, and healthcare defrayal - rather like the Chinese tried with the Iron Ricebowl.

But the difference is that the Chinese put the gov't in charge of this and the Japanese entrusted it to corporate entities instead.

And IIRC both models have since been rejected. China doesn't even have a "Paper Ricebowl" social security system any more, and Japan's corporate SocSec service is fast divesting itself and streamlining.

[chequita guevara]

Most Japanese workers weren't directly employed by these corporations, but for smaller companies that contracted with them. These workers got none of the supposedly cradle to grave benefits of the mega corps. It would be how most American workers didn't get the same benefits that autoworkers used to get.

BTW, China has announced that it will be recreating its social safety net. Dismantling it has proven a disaster.

[Alinestra Covelia]

China has announced that it will be recreating its social safety net. Dismantling it has proven a disaster.

Yeah, it's a fine line to walk between state subsidies that make industry less competitive (which China MUST eliminate, under its WTO obligations) vs. state subsidies that contribute to crucial social infrastructure (roads, education, health care, etc.). It's taken America and European nations a century or more of trial and error to come up with their current models. China's scrambling to get something workable up and running in a few decades before it really hits the fan.

[Drake Tungsten]

The Communist Party of Japan is nothing but a bunch of social democratic liberals. They aren't real communists.

That's probably why they've been so successful over the years.

[chequita guevara]

By successful you mean not successful at all.

[Alinestra Covelia]

btw, what's panda-c0ck like Ali? Asher wants to know.

I just belatedly realized this comment would have segued seamlessly into a link to the "Japanese bestiality restaurant" thread.

Having missed the chance to provide the link in a timely and humorous fashion, I will merely provide the link in humble contrition.

Link.

[Drake Tungsten]

By successful you mean not successful at all.

The Communist Party was one of the major opposition parties in Japan up until the 80s.

[chequita guevara]

Which is when its slide towards social democracy become much more pronounced. That would be an own goal . . . except for the fact that the JCP was never that important. The biggest influence they had was around protests against Narida Airport

[Traianvs]

Who cares about being important in the opposition if the LDP has been reigning for near eternity

[curtsibling]

Neither have any other commies.

Ah yes...The Kulaks decided to commit suicide in their millions...

Uncle Joe tried to talke them out of it, but...

[onodera]

Ah yes...The Kulaks decided to commit suicide in their millions...

Uncle Joe tried to talke them out of it, but...

Uh, millions?