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  • Could the US selectively default on Chinese-held treasuries?

    A thought occurs to me. The West owns a number of factories, equity stakes in Chinese firms etc. On the other hand China seems to (at least as it's been presented in the media) hold most of its foreign assets in the form of government debt, notably US Treasuries.

    Now, ownership of companies and physical assets like factories is much easier to keep track of than little slips of paper.

    In the event that China was to regress to a less open economy and seize the assets of foreign individuals and firms in China would the US gov't have recourse to defaulting on Chinese-held Treasuries (perhaps compensating the owners of the lost assets with this booty) or are the Treasuries held by China anonymous enough (like cash) that the US could not selectively default in any meaningful way?

    Basically, I'm ignorant of the actual mechanics whereby China purchases Treasuries. Is ownership recorded on electronic exchanges the world over or is there some sort of Chinese Fort Knox where they have 10 million 100$ notes?
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    I'm pretty sure Treasuries are traded electronically and the Chinese don't actually have many (any?) physical notes.

    edit: Yep. Purchases of Treasuries are settled electronically on Fedwire and ownership is book entry.
    Last edited by Naked Gents Rut; March 26, 2009, 02:30.

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    • #3
      That's good to know. Thank you. I was wondering to myself if part of the reason for China to gorge on treasuries was that they wanted a back door out of the world market in case they ever needed it. Guess not.
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      • #4
        As you have shown in the other thread you have really no understanding how this process works.

        You're like one of those people that thinks one day China will say "Okay, pay up America! Right now!" and we'll all be screwed.
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        • #5
          I already told you the story of the guy who forgot to close his position and had like 5000 oz of platinum show up at his office, right?
          12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
          Stadtluft Macht Frei
          Killing it is the new killing it
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          • #6
            Originally posted by rtwinger View Post
            As you have shown in the other thread you have really no understanding how this process works.

            You're like one of those people that thinks one day China will say "Okay, pay up America! Right now!" and we'll all be screwed.
            I think you're confusing me with NYE, you moron.

            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
            Stadtluft Macht Frei
            Killing it is the new killing it
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            • #7
              I already told you the story of the guy who forgot to close his position and had like 5000 oz of platinum show up at his office, right?


              Seriously?

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                • #9
                  Yeah, apparently some godawful percentage (like 90+) of physical deliveries on NYMEX futures are mistakes.

                  They had to hire Brinks to come pick it up and store it for the weekend.
                  12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                  Stadtluft Macht Frei
                  Killing it is the new killing it
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                  • #10
                    Thank god it wasn't 1000 soybean contracts or something...
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
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                    • #11
                      I bet the counterparty was pissed that they had to deliver.

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                      • #12
                        How do you know it wasn't some crazy old guy holding on to 5 million dollars in platinum in his basement....
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by KrazyHorse View Post
                          I think you're confusing me with NYE, you moron.

                          Ah yeah.. that's right. Sorry.

                          BTW, did I tell you I like your style yet?
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                          • #14
                            Well, we hate right wingers here. Go away.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rtwinger View Post
                              Ah yeah.. that's right. Sorry.

                              BTW, did I tell you I like your style yet?
                              Too late.

                              You've already ****ed up and broken rule #1 of Poly: don't piss off KrazyHorse.
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                              Killing it is the new killing it
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