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    Attempt to use iron to sequester carbon dioxide in the ocean fails.

    The biggest ever investigation into "ocean fertilisation" as a climate change fix has brought modest results.

    The idea is that putting iron filings in the ocean will stimulate growth of algae, which will absorb CO2 from air.

    But scientists on the Lohafex project, which put six tonnes of iron into the Southern Ocean, said little extra carbon dioxide was taken up.

    Germany's environment ministry had tried to stop the project, which green campaign groups said was "dangerous".

    Leaders of the German-Indian expedition said they had gained valuable scientific information, but that their results suggested iron fertilisation could not have a major impact, at least in that region of the oceans.

    "There's been hope that one could remove some of the excess carbon dioxide - put it back where it came from, in a sense, because the petroleum we're burning was originally made by the algae," said Victor Smetacek from the Alfred Wegener Institute in Bremerhaven. The Southern Ocean cannot sequester the amount of carbon dioxide that one had hoped

    Previous experiments, which have been going on for at least a decade, had indicated that iron particles could stimulate the growth of phytoplankton - algae - and that when the phytoplankton died, they fell to the sea floor, meaning that carbon taken from the air was effectively locked away on the bottom of the ocean.

    Following fertilisation of a 300 sq km patch of ocean, Lohafex, too, saw a burst of algal growth.

    But within two weeks, the algae were being eaten by tiny creatures called copepods, which were then in turn eaten by amphipods, a larger type of crustacean.

    The net result was that far less carbon dioxide was absorbed and sent to the sea floor than scientists had anticipated.

    "What it means is the Southern Ocean cannot sequester the amount of carbon dioxide that one had hoped," concluded Professor Smetacek.

    Growing concerns

    One key issue appears to be the type of algae that grows in response to the extra iron.

    Earlier experiments had found diatoms blooming - organisms with a protective silica casing.

    But in the Lohafex area, the diatom population could not increase because the waters were depleted of silicic acid, the substance that is later converted to silica.

    Some scientists have long argued that the iron fertilisation vision was flawed because lack of iron was not always the factor limiting growth; and this result appears to provide some backing for that contention.

    But Kenneth Coale, director of Moss Landing Marine Laboratories in California, who has led several iron fertilisation experiments, said the initial burst of phytoplankton growth was consistent with previous findings.

    "To date we've conducted experiments in what amounts to 0.04% of the ocean's surface," he told BBC News.

    "All have indicated that iron is the key factor controlling phytoplankton growth, and most have indicated that there is carbon flux (towards the sea floor) - this is one that didn't."

    A key aim for the future, he said, was to understand better the various ecosystems contained in the ocean in order that fertilisation could be conducted in areas containing the "right" kinds of organism.

  • #2
    If the plankton enter the food chain then 'Ironing' might have the potential to increase fishing yields by rebuilding the ocean food chain from the bottom up. I think more research would be justified for both usages.
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    • #3
      Well, good to know.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Impaler[WrG] View Post
        If the plankton enter the food chain then 'Ironing' might have the potential to increase fishing yields by rebuilding the ocean food chain from the bottom up. I think more research would be justified for both usages.
        That might have merit.
        I'm consitently stupid- Japher
        I think that opinion in the United States is decidedly different from the rest of the world because we have a free press -- by free, I mean a virgorously presented right wing point of view on the air and available to all.- Ned

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        • #5
          How about finding a region where silicic acid more in abundance?

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          • #6
            Maybe instead of doing it in the Southern Ocean, which is pretty much still full of life, they should go to the huge empty areas in the middle of the Pacific and Atlantic.
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            • #7
              To increase the capacity for a stock is not a solution, it can only buy some time - the flow needs to be reduced. If you try to ´put it back, where it came from´, you trying to a have an algae population that equals the mass of countless generations of algae at a single point in time. It´s probably the first time, that i found someone saying that the oceans need to be fertilized - another major problem we have, apart of global warming, is ´eutrophication´ - or overfertalization, which does result in algae growth, which is commonly regarded as a warning signal and a bad thing. If iron is the limiting factor to growth, than probably, because all the other nutriants are abundant, because we dump so much of them everywhere. So, yeah, i am one of those ´german greens´, cause this project seems to be well-intended, but nonsense. We need to reduce our growth, not try to make nature keep up with it - it´s impossible and the very idea just shows, how f***** up our thinking already is.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
                Maybe instead of doing it in the Southern Ocean, which is pretty much still full of life, they should go to the huge empty areas in the middle of the Pacific and Atlantic.
                From what I recall they started in the south Pacific because it was devoid of life.
                I'm consitently stupid- Japher
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Theben View Post
                  From what I recall they started in the south Pacific because it was devoid of life.
                  'Tis not what the article says. Anyway, there are huge fishing fleets down there, so it can't be all that devoid of life.

                  Originally posted by Unimatrix11 View Post
                  If iron is the limiting factor to growth, than probably, because all the other nutriants are abundant, because we dump so much of them everywhere. So, yeah, i am one of those ´german greens´, cause this project seems to be well-intended, but nonsense. We need to reduce our growth, not try to make nature keep up with it - it´s impossible and the very idea just shows, how f***** up our thinking already is.
                  The dead zones occur at the mouths of rivers, generally areas of great fecundity of life. Obviously, we can't undo the damage of generations in a few years, but we have to sequester the CO2 somehow, not merely because of climate change, but also because of ocean acidification. Yes, we need to stop adding CO2 to the atmosphere, but we also need to take out about of third of it that's there now. Iron seeding seemed to be one of the best ways to handle it.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    Would a broken iron help? *Drives to the sea, throws in broken iron, drives away*
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                    • #11
                      I don't think they used enough steam. You can never use too much steam.
                      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                      • #12
                        You, obviously, have never been scalded.
                        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                        • #13
                          Not using an iron, anyway.
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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