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  • Chaos at AIG

    Sounds like chaos at AIG. A whole bunch of wild stuff going down.

    Hope they can unwind those derivatives. It's a big sinkhole for the American taxpayer -- running at $170 billion of capital that the feds have "invested" so far.

    It took Berkshire Hathaway a half-dozen years to unwind the relatively small number of derivatives at General Re once it bought the company. I can see why Warren Buffett calls these things "financial weapons of mass destruction" and wonder how many other companies are in deep on this stuff.

    An excerpt from the WaPo article...

    Rage at AIG Swells As Bonuses Go Out
    Fed Decided Payouts Couldn't Be Stopped

    By Brady Dennis and David Cho
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, March 17, 2009; A01

    A tidal wave of public outrage over bonus payments swamped American International Group yesterday. Hired guards stood watch outside the suburban Connecticut offices of AIG Financial Products, the division whose exotic derivatives brought the insurance giant to the brink of collapse last year. Inside, death threats and angry letters flooded e-mail inboxes. Irate callers lit up the phone lines. Senior managers submitted their resignations. Some employees didn't show up at all.

    "It's a mob effect," one senior executive said. "It's putting people's lives in danger."

    Politicians and the public spent yesterday demanding that AIG rescind payouts that they said rewarded recklessness and greed at a company being bailed out with $170 billion in taxpayer funds. But company officials contend that the uproar is scaring away the very employees who understand AIG Financial Products' complex trades and who are trying to dismantle the division before it further endangers the world's economy.

    "It's going to blow up," said a senior Financial Products manager, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak for the company. "I have a horrible, horrible, horrible feeling that this is going to end badly."
    Last edited by DanS; March 16, 2009, 23:23.
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    You're so ****ed, but then so are all the rest of us.
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      The building should be burned down and the top dogs hung in the courthouse square.
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      • #4
        Lynch mobs...we need more lynch mobs.
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        • #5
          Conscript them.
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          • #6
            Is bankruptcy an option now? That would take care of the contracts they claim force this after all. Is anyone calling for the resignation of Turbo Tax Geithner over his role in coming up with this plan?
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            • #7


              On pages 263-265, you can see the true extent of AIG's derivatives mess.

              On page 265, it details the bomb that destroyed this company: credit default swaps. They numbered $533 billion at the end of 2007, and still numbers $302 billion end last year.

              In 2008, AIG paid about $90-100 billion to its counterparties, making up 50% of the reduction in the amount of its CDS exposure. If that ratio is any guide, American taxpayers can expect another $150 billion losses during next couple of years.

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              • #8
                It's moronic. Let the counterparties take their losses. Don't have the taxpayers fund it. Heck a lot of the counterparties (Buffet, Goldman execs) are Democrats. Why did the Repukes sign off on this stuff? They lack any real conservatism.

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                • #9
                  Not conservatism, just foresight
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by TCO View Post
                    It's moronic. Let the counterparties take their losses. Don't have the taxpayers fund it. Heck a lot of the counterparties (Buffet, Goldman execs) are Democrats. Why did the Repukes sign off on this stuff? They lack any real conservatism.
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                    • #11
                      Seppuku all around!

                      Grassley to AIG execs: Resign or commit suicide
                      Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:04am EDT

                      NEW YORK (Reuters) - A prominent U.S. senator has intimated that executives of the troubled insurer American International Group Inc might consider suicide, adopting what he called a Japanese approach to taking responsibility for their actions.

                      Senator Charles Grassley, the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, made his comments on the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, radio station WMT on Monday.

                      "The first thing that would make me feel a little bit better toward them (is) if they'd follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say, I'm sorry, and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide," Grassley said.

                      "And in the case of the Japanese," he added, "they usually commit suicide before they make any apology."
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #12
                        That's funny. Probably not acceptable for a senator to say out loud, but funny.
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                        • #13
                          I think the Japanese have the right idea.
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                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Ah, AIG bonuses to be taxed at 100% according to new bill.
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                            • #15
                              Clever, but I'd think that would be blatantly illegal.
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