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    This guy is in deep dung.


    Demjanjuk, who lives in a Cleveland suburb, denies involvement



    updated 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
    BERLIN - German prosecutors said Wednesday they have charged retired Ohio auto worker John Demjanjuk with more than 29,000 counts of accessory to murder for his time as a guard at the Nazis' Sobibor death camp, and will seek his extradition from the U.S.

    Demjanjuk is accused of participating in the murders while he was a guard at the Nazi camp in occupied Poland between March and September 1943.

    "In this capacity, he participated in the accessory to murder of at least 29,000 people of the Jewish faith," Munich prosecutors said in a statement.

    The 88-year-old Demjanjuk, who lives in a Cleveland suburb, denies involvement. His son, John Demjanjuk Jr., said Wednesday he would return a call later with comment. A family spokesman, former Demjanjuk son-in-law Ed Nishnic, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

    Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter at Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center, said he was "very pleased that the German authorities have taken this step."

    "We hope that the process can be expedited to ensure that this Holocaust perpetrator will finally be appropriately punished," Zuroff told the AP in a telephone interview from Jerusalem. "We're on our way to a victory for justice today."

    A native of Ukraine, Demjanjuk emigrated to the U.S. in 1952 and gained citizenship in 1958.

    In denying involvement in war crimes, he has said he served in the Soviet army and became a prisoner of war when he was captured by Germany in 1942.

    Demjanjuk was extradited to Israel in 1986, when the U.S. Justice Department believed he was the sadistic Nazi guard known as Ivan the Terrible from the Treblinka death camp.

    Freed by an Israeli court
    He spent seven years in custody before the Israeli high court freed him after receiving evidence that another Ukrainian was that Nazi guard.

    Demjanjuk's U.tely return a call seeking comment.

    Efraim Zuroff, the top Nazi hunter at Israel's Simon Wiesenthal Center, said he was "very pleased that the German authorities have taken this step."

    "We hope that the process can be expedited to ensure that this Holocaust perpetrator will finally be appropriately punished," Zuroff told the AP in a telephone interview from Jerusalem. "We're on our way to a victory for justice today."

    A native of Ukraine, Demjanjuk emigrated to the U.S. in 1952 and gained citizenship in 1958.

    In denying involvement in war crimes, he has said he served in the Soviet army and became a prisoner of war when he was captured by Germany in 1942.

    Demjanjuk was extradited to Israel in 1986, when the U.S. Justice Department believed he was the sadistic Nazi guard known as Ivan the Terrible from the Treblinka death camp.

    Freed by an Israeli court
    He spent seven years in custody before the Israeli high court freed him after receiving evidence that another Ukrainian was that Nazi guard.

    Demjanjuk's U.S. citizenship was restored in 1998, but the U.S. Justice Department renewed its case, saying he was another Nazi guard and could be deported for falsifying information on his entry and citizenship applications in the 1950s.
    Last edited by SlowwHand; March 11, 2009, 11:54.
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    You would think that if were another nazi guard, that the Israelis would have figured it out while they still had him.
    No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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    • #3
      Are they still after this guy?
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      • #4
        He's 88, he'll be dead soon. Why bother with the trial?
        You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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        • #5
          Just execute him? Sounds a little harsh, even for a Nazi.
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          • #6
            I have doubts about this Nazi hunter if he already got the guy wrongly imprisoned for seven years and is now coming back for him again.

            Why Germany, he is from Ukraine?
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            • #7
              A lot of Ukrainians really, really hated the Soviets. I can't say I blame them after the liquidation of the kulaks and the mass starvation in the Ukraine which the Soviets caused.
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              • #8
                This looks distinctly like harrassment. Are we going to just let someone arrest him and try him as missing guard after missing guard until he dies? If the Israelis couldn't find anything on him the last time this smells like double jeopardy.
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                • #9
                  Man, this is a blast from the past. All I have to say is that they better have the goods on him this time.
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                  • #10
                    If he dies in custody this time, which given his age me very well might, and ends up be aquited again I say that is a good sign that the Nazi hunters have outlived their usefulness. Time for them to get real jobs.
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                    • #11
                      I'd drop it. Whomever is left is going to get questioned by someone bigger than us.
                      Of course, I'm a Believer, which comes into play.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                        You would think that if were another nazi guard, that the Israelis would have figured it out while they still had him.

                        If the Israelis couldn't find anything on him the last time this smells like double jeopardy.
                        Actually not exact.

                        He was actually convicted but later set free because there was a single witness claiming it was a mistaken identity.

                        An Israeli judge was interviewed today and she said that even though she was sure he was indeed Ivan the terrible, given that it was less than 100% certain and even if there was 1% doubt, the court decided to free him.

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                        • #13
                          So you are claiming that he was a guard in two camps?
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sirotnikov View Post
                            Actually not exact.

                            He was actually convicted but later set free because there was a single witness claiming it was a mistaken identity.

                            An Israeli judge was interviewed today and she said that even though she was sure he was indeed Ivan the terrible, given that it was less than 100% certain and even if there was 1% doubt, the court decided to free him.
                            If he actually was Ivan the Terrible, he can't be some other camp guard, so this would have to be double jeopardy.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Oerdin View Post
                              A lot of Ukrainians really, really hated the Soviets. I can't say I blame them after the liquidation of the kulaks and the mass starvation in the Ukraine which the Soviets caused.
                              Except that most of the starvation happened in the Russian settled area of the Ukraine, and as many people started in Russia as in the Ukraine. It was the Russians, not the Ukrainians, who got the worst of it. Anyway, the cause of the famine was three-fold. One, the kulaks stopped producing grain or didn't harvest grain they'd already sown. Two, the Soviets confiscated what they could, and didn't import food to the regions most heavily hit by the third reason, a drought.

                              The Holodomor was pretty much a cluster-**** of stupidity on both sides at a time when no one could afford to be acting stupid. It became criminal on the Soviets part when, commissars in the field began requesting a halt to the program because they could see what was happening. Moscow ignored them for a year. About 3.3 million people died because of this, 1.4 million in the Ukraine, most of them in the Don Basin, which is heavily settled by Russians.
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