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    A male chimpanzee in a Swedish zoo planned hundreds of stone-throwing attacks on zoo visitors, according to researchers.

    Keepers at Furuvik Zoo found that the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles.

    Further, the chimp learned to recognise how and when parts of his concrete enclosure could be pulled apart to fashion further projectiles.

    The findings are reported in the journal Current Biology.

    There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

    Crucial to the current study is the fact that Santino, a chimpanzee at the zoo in the city north of Stockholm, collected the stones in a calm state, prior to the zoo opening in the morning.

    The launching of the stones occurred hours later - during dominance displays to zoo visitors - with Santino in an "agitated" state.

    This suggests that Santino was anticipating a future mental state - an ability that has been difficult to definitively prove in animals, according to Mathias Osvath, a cognitive scientist from Lund University in Sweden and author of the new research.

    "We've done experimental studies, and the chimps in my mind show very clearly that they do plan for future needs, but it has been argued that perhaps this was an experimental artefact," Dr Osvath told BBC News.

    "Now we have this spontaneous behaviour, which is always in some sense better evidence."

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    Dr Osvath embarked on the study after zoo staff discovered caches of stones in the section of the enclosure facing the public viewing area.

    Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.
    Ammunition pile (M Osvath)
    The chimp stashed hundreds of stones in anticipation of throwing them

    Most interestingly, Santino seems to have learned how to spot weak parts of the concrete "boulders" in the centre of the enclosure.

    When water seeps into cracks in the concrete and freezes, portions become detached that make a hollow sound when tapped.

    Santino was observed gently knocking on the "boulders", hitting harder to detach bits that were loosened and adding those to his stashes of ammunition.

    There are a number of examples of complex behaviour in apes that suggest forms of consciousness.

    Planning behaviour like that of the current work is connected to so-called autonoetic consciousness, where information due to memory can be distinguished from that from the senses.

    "I'm personally convinced that at least chimps do plan for future needs, that they do have this autonoetic consciousness," Dr Osvath said.

    "I hope that other zoos or those in the wild will look more closely at what is happening," he added.

    "I bet there must be a lot of these kinds of behaviours out there, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find them in dolphins or other species."
    Now we only need to get this OBL guy

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    And I bet he read lotsa secret internet stone-throwing sites were they tell how it's done
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  • #2
    Apparently the stone throwing did actually occur. He had been storing a load more rocks for future outbursts.
    "lol internet" ~ AAHZ

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    • #3
      And I bet he read lotsa secret internet stone-throwing sites were they tell how it's done
      1) Hide stones
      2) When visitors show up:
      .. a) take the stones out of their hiding places and
      .. b) throw the stones at the visitors.

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      • #4
        He has a t-shirt, "People are stupid. Throw rocks at them."
        Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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        • #5
          Monkey!

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          • #6
            chimps aren't monkeys
            Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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            • #7
              I see a new Planet of the Apes movie coming...
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia View Post
                Apparently the stone throwing did actually occur. He had been storing a load more rocks for future outbursts.
                Yeah. Luckily they prevented him from doing more harm. Otoh had he been storing shoes to hurl them at people he'd be a hero now
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Lancer View Post
                  I see a new Planet of the Apes movie coming...
                  No Lancer, this is not a movie; Chimps really can throw stones and build up anger over people who put him in the cage. But Jesus won't save him.

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                  be free

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                  • #10
                    Fight the Power!
                    I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
                    - Justice Brett Kavanaugh

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                    • #11
                      Chimp who live in grassy enclosures whould not throw stones.

















                      They should make mortar and build castles with the stones.
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                      • #12
                        Monkey!
                        Hey!!!

                        Animals can't sin, so that's rather ironic/fitting.
                        Monkey!!!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola View Post
                          Chimp who live in grassy enclosures whould not throw stones.
                          People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

                          ...

                          Maybe that's an atavistic devolution of this saying then?
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                          • #14
                            I don't remember "Jesus saves" as a message of the Planet of the Apes or its descendants. Which one was that, Frosty? Seems to me that animals that lie in ambush along a game trail are involved in planning, yet we have these breathless articles every few years saying "Animals Plan!" like that is new information. We really are a specieist species. "There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events." is utter nonsense. They put their nests in defensible positions; they select who in the pack will hunt and who will defend, leving one of the most dangerous behind in the case of wolves and lions. They do plan. However, they don't spend significant parts of their lives complaining that life is too short.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Blaupanzer View Post
                              Seems to me that animals that lie in ambush along a game trail are involved in planning, yet we have these breathless articles every few years saying "Animals Plan!" like that is new information. We really are a specieist species. "There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events." is utter nonsense. They put their nests in defensible positions; they select who in the pack will hunt and who will defend, leving one of the most dangerous behind in the case of wolves and lions.
                              ...none of that is necessarily evidence of planning. It's more likely to be instinctive behavior for which the animals don't even comprehend the purpose; you might as well say that a horse growing a long tail is a clear sign that it anticipates biting flies landing on its arse. It's nothing of the sort. The ability has merely been programmed in by evolution so that the animal has all the tools required to survive when the time comes. This case is different because it's clear the animal discriminates between different wholly artificial sets of circumstances which are very unlikely to have been selected for. It is perceiving a situation, analyzing it, and coming up with a plan to deal with it. Also being a total antisocial douchebag, but I guess researchers already knew chimps can be like that.
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