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    pretty ugly, I'd say.

    The financial crisis has created an industrial crisis. What should governments do about it?

    The collapse of manufacturing
    Feb 19th 2009
    From The Economist print edition

    The financial crisis has created an industrial crisis. What should governments do about it?

    $0.00, not counting fuel and handling: that is the cheapest quote right now if you want to ship a container from southern China to Europe. Back in the summer of 2007 the shipper would have charged $1,400. Half-empty freighters are just one sign of a worldwide collapse in manufacturing. In Germany December’s machine-tool orders were 40% lower than a year earlier. Half of China’s 9,000 or so toy exporters have gone bust. Taiwan’s shipments of notebook computers fell by a third in the month of January. The number of cars being assembled in America was 60% below January 2008.

    The destructive global power of the financial crisis became clear last year. The immensity of the manufacturing crisis is still sinking in, largely because it is seen in national terms—indeed, often nationalistic ones. In fact manufacturing is also caught up in a global whirlwind.

    Industrial production fell in the latest three months by 3.6% and 4.4% respectively in America and Britain (equivalent to annual declines of 13.8% and 16.4%). Some locals blame that on Wall Street and the City. But the collapse is much worse in countries more dependent on manufacturing exports, which have come to rely on consumers in debtor countries. Germany’s industrial production in the fourth quarter fell by 6.8%; Taiwan’s by 21.7%; Japan’s by 12%—which helps to explain why GDP is falling even faster there than it did in the early 1990s (see article). Industrial production is volatile, but the world has not seen a contraction like this since the first oil shock in the 1970s—and even that was not so widespread. Industry is collapsing in eastern Europe, as it is in Brazil, Malaysia and Turkey. Thousands of factories in southern China are now abandoned. Their workers went home to the countryside for the new year in January. Millions never came back (see article).

    Factories floored
    Having bailed out the financial system, governments are now being called on to save industry, too. Next to scheming bankers, factory workers look positively deserving. Manufacturing is still a big employer and it tends to be a very visible one, concentrated in places like Detroit, Stuttgart and Guangzhou. The failure of a famous manufacturer like General Motors (GM) would be a severe blow to people’s faith in their own prospects when a lack of confidence is already dragging down the economy. So surely it is right to give industry special support?

    Despite manufacturing’s woes, the answer is no. There are no painless choices, but industrial aid suffers from two big drawbacks. One is that government programmes, which are slow to design and amend, are too cumbersome to deal with the varied, constantly changing difficulties of the world’s manufacturing industries. Part of the problem has been a drying-up of trade finance. Nobody knows how long that will last. Another part has come as firms have run down their inventories (in China some of these were stockpiles amassed before the Beijing Olympics). The inventory effect should be temporary, but, again, nobody knows how big or lasting it will be.

    The other drawback is that sectoral aid does not address the underlying cause of the crisis—a fall in demand, not just for manufactured goods, but for everything. Because there is too much capacity (far too much in the car industry), some businesses must close however much aid the government pumps in. How can governments know which firms to save or the “right” size of any industry? That is for consumers to decide. Giving money to the industries with the loudest voices and cleverest lobbyists would be unjust and wasteful. Shifting demand to the fortunate sector that has won aid from the unfortunate one that has not will only exacerbate the upheaval. One country’s preference for a given industry risks provoking a protectionist backlash abroad and will slow the long-run growth rate at home by locking up resources in inefficient firms.

    Nothing to lose but their supply chains
    Some say that manufacturing is special, because the rest of the economy depends on it. In fact, the economy is more like a network in which everything is connected to everything else, and in which every producer is also a consumer. The important distinction is not between manufacturing and services, but between productive and unproductive jobs.

    Some manufacturers accept that, but proceed immediately to another argument: that the current crisis is needlessly endangering productive, highly skilled manufacturing jobs. Nowadays each link in the supply chain depends on all the others. Carmakers cite GM’s new Camaro, threatened after a firm that makes moulded-plastic parts went bankrupt. The car industry argues that the loss of GM itself would permanently wreck the North American supply chain (see article). Aid, they say, can save good firms to fight another day.

    Although some supply chains have choke points, that is a weak general argument for sectoral aid. As a rule, suppliers with several customers, and customers with several suppliers, should be more resilient than if they were a dependent captive of a large group. The evidence from China is that today’s lack of demand creates the spare capacity that allows customers to find a new supplier quickly if theirs goes out of business. When that is hard, because a parts supplier is highly specialised, say, good management is likely to be more effective than state aid. The best firms monitor their vital suppliers closely and buy parts from more than one source, even if it costs money. In the extreme, firms can support vulnerable suppliers by helping them raise cash or by investing in them.

    If sectoral aid is wasteful, why then save the banking system? Not for the sake of the bankers, certainly; nor because state aid will create an efficient financial industry. Even flawed bank rescues and stimulus plans, like the one Barack Obama signed into law this week, are aimed at the roots of the economy’s problems: saving the banks, no matter how undeserving they are, is supposed to keep finance flowing to all firms; fiscal stimulus is supposed to lift demand across the board. As manufacturing collapses, governments should not fiddle with sectoral plans. Their proper task is broader but no less urgent: to get on with spending and with freeing up finance.




    With more ugly approaching...

    Read latest breaking news, updates, and headlines. Calgary Herald offers information on latest national and international events & more.

    U.S. bank takeover fears jolt markets

    Janet Whitman, Financial Post
    Published: Friday, February 20, 2009

    NEW YORK -- Global stock markets went on a wild ride Friday, jolted by escalating investor fears that the financial crisis could force the U.S. government to take control of two of the United States' biggest banks.

    A hasty assurance from the White House that Barack Obama, the U.S. President, continues to believe banks should remain privately owned helped stocks to recover from the worst of their losses.

    But the Dow Jones industrial average still lost 6% for the week -- the closely watched index's biggest drop since October -- as investors continue to fret over the financial crisis.

    "When you think about the day or the week, you're led to the conclusion that investors don't believe that the combination of what the Federal Reserve and federal government in Washington are doing will work," said Hugh Johnson, chairman of investment advisory firm Johnson Illington Advisors. "Investors are sending a message that they think we're in a bear market and the recession is going to be longer and more severe than we had expected."

    That gloomy view may continue to plague stock markets until investors start to see signs the Obama administration's nearly US$800-billion economic stimulus package and its revamped Wall Street bailout plan are working, Mr. Johnson added. "A week ago, the mantra was, 'We need details.' Now the mantra is, 'We need evidence.'"

    Friday's stock sell-off shifted into high gear after U.S. Senator Christopher Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, told Bloomberg Television that some U.S. banks might have to be nationalized "for a short time" to help get them through the worst economic slump since the Great Depression.

    Citigroup Inc. and Bank of America Corp. -- two U.S. banking giants considered among the most vulnerable even after receiving US$90-billion in aid from the government -- skidded on Mr. Dodd's comments. Worried that a government takeover would wipe out their stakes, investors sent Citi shares down more than 22% to US$2.95 and Bank of America down nearly 4% to US$3.79.

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs sought to quell those fears when asked Friday about the prospect of bank nationalization at a news conference.

    "Let me reassure as best I can on banks," he said. "This administration continues to strongly believe that a privately held banking system is the correct way to go, ensuring they are regulated sufficiently by this government."

    The comments helped the Dow recover from what would have been its lowest close since 1997. The index ended regular trading down slightly more than 100 points at 7,365.67.

    Toronto's main stock index, the S&P/TSX composite, dropped 235.36 points, or 2.88%, to 7,949.99 -- a more than 8% loss for the week.

    Gold, considered a safe-haven investment in times of uncertainty, surged above US$1,000 an ounce.

    Investor concerns about more trouble ahead may be well-founded.

    Paul Volcker, a top advisor to President Obama and an economics veteran, said the worldwide economy appears to be crumbling faster than it did during the "Dirty Thirties."

    "I don't remember any time, maybe even in the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast, quite so uniformly around the world," Mr. Volcker said at a Columbia University conference in New York.

    Investors may get a better sense of the health of the U.S. financial system over the next few weeks as the U.S. Treasury subjects up to 25 banks with assets exceeding US$100-billion each to a "stress tests" to determine which ones might need further capital injections.

    Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis told employees in a memo Friday that he's "confident we will not need any further assistance in the future."



    Soros sees no bottom for world financial "collapse"
    Sat Feb 21, 2009 4:19pm EST

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Renowned investor George Soros said on Friday the world financial system has effectively disintegrated, adding that there is yet no prospect of a near-term resolution to the crisis.

    Soros said the turbulence is actually more severe than during the Great Depression, comparing the current situation to the demise of the Soviet Union.

    He said the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers in September marked a turning point in the functioning of the market system.

    "We witnessed the collapse of the financial system," Soros said at a Columbia University dinner. "It was placed on life support, and it's still on life support. There's no sign that we are anywhere near a bottom."

    His comments echoed those made earlier at the same conference by Paul Volcker, a former Federal Reserve chairman who is now a top adviser to President Barack Obama.

    Volcker said industrial production around the world was declining even more rapidly than in the United States, which is itself under severe strain.

    "I don't remember any time, maybe even in the Great Depression, when things went down quite so fast, quite so uniformly around the world," Volcker said.

    (Reporting by Pedro Nicolaci da Costa and Juan Lagorio; Editing by Gary Hill)
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  • #2
    It's just the market self-regulating. I'm sure in 5-10 years we'll be back to excessive spending and let-the-good-times-roll for a while before then next crash in 2030...
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zoid View Post
      It's just the market self-regulating. I'm sure in 5-10 years we'll be back to excessive spending and let-the-good-times-roll for a while before then next crash in 2030...
      Actually crashes seem to be coming every 10 years roughly.
      "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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      • #4
        How can governments know which firms to save or the “right” size of any industry? That is for consumers to decide.

        This quote is evidence that The Economist has jumped the shark, since it is effectively throwing gasoline on the fire. A commitment to decentralized, unregulated decision making has borked the economy, yet these idiots insist that the solution is more of the same.

        If you want evidence of how stupid things have got, look at what has happened over the past 15 years. Infrastructure has been allowed to degrade and health care has not been properly funded, and most of the money that should have been spent on that has been channeled into consumer spending, for which people have very little to show.

        I can think of two areas of private spending in the last 15 years or so which have made a real improvement to peoples' lives. One is spending on computers and the internet, and the other is improved mobile telephony. Both have made a real difference to human life in the way that cars or television did.

        But the amount of our collective income spent on computers and telephones is quite small. Most consumer spending in the last 15 years has been on crap. You know how your parents used to discourage you from buying crap because they said you'd have nothing to show for it down the line, well that's our societies. We've blown most of it on ephemeral rubbish, most of which is competitive consumption.

        Is there a politician or government that is going to have the stones to say "no" to the middle class aspirationals? If not, then we're all screwed.
        Only feebs vote.

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        • #5
          It's ugly, but getting better in a somewhat haphazard fashion. Looking at one measure, US government bond yields are rising, indicating that folks are moving their money from US treasury bonds to assets with some risk attached. As the credit markets are unfrozen, the industrial pause will ease.

          As I understand, in the US, most factory workers were called back after longer than usual holiday shutdowns.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DanS View Post
            Looking at one measure, US government bond yields are rising, indicating that folks are moving their money from US treasury bonds to assets with some risk attached.
            ... the next bubble
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            • #7
              Originally posted by DanS View Post
              As I understand, in the US, most factory workers were called back after longer than usual holiday shutdowns.
              As I understand, lay offs are continuing and are expected to peak late this year or early next year.

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              • #8
                I think you're all drawing the wrong lessons.

                Agathon:
                Companies aren't in trouble because of the decentralized nature of capitalist decision-making. They're in trouble because they expanded to meet a need that has disappeared overnight. That's not entirely their fault. Blame the easy credit of the boom times. Firms could expand to meet growing demand, or they could be left in the dust by their competitors.

                DanS:
                In a few months credit availability won't be the main problem. Convincing firms to use that credit to expand at a time of falling demand will be hard. Further loosening of credit will be like pushing on a string.
                "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
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                • #9
                  The Citi Shell Game

                  Nationalisation is baaaaad, so let's try multi-nationalisation!


                  U.S. Eyes Large Stake in Citi
                  Taxpayers Could Own Up to 40% of Bank's Common Stock, Diluting Value of Shares

                  By DAVID ENRICH and MONICA LANGLEY
                  Citigroup Inc. is in talks with federal officials that could result in the U.S. government substantially expanding its ownership of the struggling bank, according to people familiar with the situation.

                  While the discussions could fall apart, the government could wind up holding as much as 40% of Citigroup's common stock. Bank executives hope the stake will be closer to 25%, these people said.

                  Any such move would give federal officials far greater influence over one of the world's largest financial institutions. Citigroup has proposed the plan to its regulators. The Obama administration hasn't indicated if it supports the plan, according to people with knowledge of the talks.

                  When federal officials began pumping capital into U.S. banks last October, few experts would have predicted that the government would soon be wrestling with the possibility of taking voting control of large financial institutions.

                  The talks reflect a growing fear that Citigroup and other big U.S. banks could be overwhelmed by losses amid the recession and housing crisis. Last week, Citigroup's share price fell below $2 to an 18-year low. Bank executives increasingly believe that the government needs to take a larger ownership stake in the institution to stop the slide.

                  Under the scenario being considered, a substantial chunk of the $45 billion in preferred shares held by the government would convert into common stock, people familiar with the matter said. The government obtained those shares, equivalent to a 7.8% stake, in return for pumping capital into Citigroup.

                  The move wouldn't cost taxpayers additional money, but other Citigroup shareholders would see their shares diluted. A larger ownership stake by the federal government could fuel speculation that other troubled banks will line up for similar agreements.

                  Bank of America Corp. said Sunday that it isn't discussing a larger ownership stake for the government. "There are no talks right now over that issue," said Bank of America spokesman Robert Stickler. "We see no reason to do that. We believe the goal of public policy should be to attract private capital into the bank, not to discourage it."

                  Shareholders' Fears
                  Citigroup's low share price already reflects, at least in part, a fear among shareholders that their stakes might be further diluted. A government move to take a big stake in the bank could backfire, potentially spurring investors to flee other banks, even healthier ones.

                  There's no universal agreement on what constitutes nationalization of a bank. In the U.K., the government already owns 43% of Lloyds Banking Group PLC, and last week it moved to increase its ownership of Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC to 70% from 58%. Those two banks have been classified as "public-sector entities," and as much as £1.5 trillion ($2.136 trillion) of their liabilities have been moved over to the country's balance sheet.

                  The White House has knocked down recent speculation that the government is preparing to nationalize several large U.S. banks.

                  The U.S.'s intentions with Citigroup remain unclear. For instance, it's not yet known whether the government would seek a stronger hand in the New York company's management or day-to-day operations.

                  As part of the plan, Citigroup officials hope to persuade private investors that have bought preferred shares -- such as the Government of Singapore Investment Corp., Abu Dhabi Investment Authority and Kuwait Investment Authority -- to follow the government's lead in converting some of those stakes into common stock, according to people familiar with the matter. That would further bolster an obscure but increasingly pivotal measure of banks' capital known as "tangible common equity," or TCE.

                  The TCE measurement, one of several gauges of a bank's financial strength, gives weight to common shares -- thus the interest in converting preferred shares to common stock.

                  Details of the rescue remain in flux. Key questions, such as the price at which the government will convert its preferred stock into common shares, haven't been resolved.

                  And it's possible that other options will emerge to stabilize the company. For example, the Obama administration could decide to sit tight until the results of several new "stress tests" on major banks -- broad examinations of their financial health now being mandated -- are known in a couple months, one official said.

                  If the deal gets nailed down, it will be Washington's third effort to aid Citigroup since last fall. In October, the Treasury Department put a total of $125 billion into eight giant financial institutions, including $25 billion to Citigroup, in exchange for preferred shares and warrants to buy stock.

                  Then, shortly before Thanksgiving, the government agreed to infuse another $20 billion into Citigroup as its stock tumbled. It also agreed to protect the banking company against most losses on a $301 billion pool of assets.

                  Among the question marks looming over the current discussions is the future of Citigroup Chief Executive Vikram Pandit and the company's board of directors.

                  Pandit's Future
                  In November, as part of the sweeping rescue, federal officials privately discussed the possibility of replacing Mr. Pandit, who became CEO in December 2007. But the government decided not to remove him, in large part due to a dearth of qualified replacements. Still, top government officials warned Mr. Pandit that a third trip to the taxpayer trough would probably cost him his job.

                  However, since the latest talks don't involve the possibility of Citigroup receiving additional government capital, it isn't clear whether Mr. Pandit's job is on the line. A Citigroup spokeswoman declined to comment.

                  Federal officials have been pushing Citigroup executives and the board's lead independent director, Richard Parsons, to shake up the company's 15-member board. Already, three directors, including former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, have announced plans to step down this spring.

                  There are at least two catalysts for the recent talks with the government.

                  First, Citigroup's shares have fallen to historic lows. That doesn't pose a direct threat to the company's stability. But if it spooks customers into pulling their business, that could push the bank toward a dangerous downward spiral.

                  Second, bank regulators this week will start performing their battery of stress tests at the nation's largest banks as part of the Obama administration's industry-bailout plan. As part of those tests, the Fed is expected to dwell on the TCE measurement as a gauge of bank health, according to people familiar with the matter.

                  The crisis is triggering a deep re-examination of the way bank health is measured in the U.S. financial system. This complex exercise boils down to calculating various ratios of capital to a bank's total assets.

                  Until recently, TCE -- essentially a gauge of what common shareholders would get if an institution were dissolved -- has been one of the less prominent ways to measure a bank's vigor. TCE is also among the most conservative measures of financial health.

                  Bankers and regulators generally prefer to use what is known as "Tier 1" ratio of a bank's capital adequacy. It takes into account equity other than common stock.

                  By Tier 1 measurements, most big banks, including Citigroup, appear healthy. Citigroup's Tier 1 ratios 11.8%, well above the level needed to be classified as well-capitalized.

                  By contrast, most banks' TCE ratios indicate severe weakness. Citigroup's TCE ratio stood at about 1.5% of assets at Dec. 31, well below the 3% level that investors regard as safe.

                  The regulators' new focus on TCE represents an important shift. The government's recent injections into hundreds of institutions were predicated on the idea that Tier 1 was key. Because the investments weren't in the form of common stock, they didn't affect the companies' TCE ratios.

                  —Dan Fitzpatrick, Deborah Solomon and Damian Paletta contributed to this article.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Victor Galis View Post
                    I think you're all drawing the wrong lessons.

                    Agathon:
                    Companies aren't in trouble because of the decentralized nature of capitalist decision-making. They're in trouble because they expanded to meet a need that has disappeared overnight. That's not entirely their fault. Blame the easy credit of the boom times. Firms could expand to meet growing demand, or they could be left in the dust by their competitors.
                    I think he's questioning whether production should be governed by the consumer, or by some other form of shenanigans.

                    DanS:
                    In a few months credit availability won't be the main problem. Convincing firms to use that credit to expand at a time of falling demand will be hard. Further loosening of credit will be like pushing on a string.
                    I think he's questioning, or denying, the severity of the shenanigans that got us where we are.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Victor Galis View Post
                      I think you're all drawing the wrong lessons.

                      Agathon:
                      Companies aren't in trouble because of the decentralized nature of capitalist decision-making. They're in trouble because they expanded to meet a need that has disappeared overnight. That's not entirely their fault. Blame the easy credit of the boom times. Firms could expand to meet growing demand, or they could be left in the dust by their competitors.

                      The price system is supposed to prevent this from happening. It's a market failure. I'm not saying that individual firms are at fault. The failure is systemic because the market has not priced things correctly. In fact it has priced them appallingly badly, so much so that the usual defences of the free market look comically bad.

                      Looking back, anyone can see that we've been spending our money on the wrong things.
                      Only feebs vote.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DanS View Post
                        It's ugly, but getting better in a somewhat haphazard fashion. Looking at one measure, US government bond yields are rising, indicating that folks are moving their money from US treasury bonds to assets with some risk attached. As the credit markets are unfrozen, the industrial pause will ease.

                        As I understand, in the US, most factory workers were called back after longer than usual holiday shutdowns.

                        Why should anyone believe a word you say? You've been a relentless optimist the whole way through the bubble, as can be proven by a visit to the OT archive.

                        You're the last person anyone should listen to on the topic, since you've been proven comically wrong.

                        How are you any different from the pseudo-optimists in the mainstream financial press? As soon as you lot finally and belatedly acknowledge a recession (after it has been obvious to everyone else for some time), you all immediately say that the worst is over and that things are getting better.

                        Just admit that you can't bear to tell the truth and have to sugar coat everything.
                        Only feebs vote.

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                        • #13
                          All of what I said above is easily confirmed by a little web research. No need to believe me.
                          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by notyoueither View Post
                            I think he's questioning whether production should be governed by the consumer, or by some other form of shenanigans.
                            Having lived in an actual society that proclaimed itself to be communist, I would say that not having production governed by the consumer is a recipe for failure.

                            The price system is supposed to prevent this from happening. It's a market failure. I'm not saying that individual firms are at fault. The failure is systemic because the market has not priced things correctly. In fact it has priced them appallingly badly, so much so that the usual defences of the free market look comically bad.

                            Looking back, anyone can see that we've been spending our money on the wrong things.
                            Only if you've drunk the Neoclassical Kool-Aid. Unless you believe that people saw this crisis coming (more should have, but it was rather clear they didn't), believe that people try to smooth consumption over their whole lifetime , and make several other assumptions...

                            Let's just say, I don't consider the fact that consumers who thought they were rich spent a lot of money on goods they wouldn't have spent if they knew they were poor a failure of the goods market. The problem lies in the illusion of wealth that cheap credit and the housing bubble.
                            "The purpose of studying economics is not to acquire a set of ready-made answers to economic questions, but to learn how to avoid being deceived by economists."
                            -Joan Robinson

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                            • #15
                              The price system is supposed to prevent this from happening. It's a market failure. I'm not saying that individual firms are at fault. The failure is systemic because the market has not priced things correctly. In fact it has priced them appallingly badly, so much so that the usual defences of the free market look comically bad.
                              The most important price (the price of money) was not set by the market but by the government.

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