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    Check out this bull****:

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    16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
    Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land
    Jerry Seper (Contact)
    Monday, February 9, 2009

    An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.

    Roger Barnett, 64, began rounding up illegal immigrants in 1998 and turning them over to the U.S. Border Patrol, he said, after they destroyed his property, killed his calves and broke into his home.

    His Cross Rail Ranch near Douglas, Ariz., is known by federal and county law enforcement authorities as "the avenue of choice" for immigrants seeking to enter the United States illegally.

    Trial continues Monday in the federal lawsuit, which seeks $32 million in actual and punitive damages for civil rights violations, the infliction of emotional distress and other crimes. Also named are Mr. Barnett's wife, Barbara, his brother, Donald, and Larry Dever, sheriff in Cochise County, Ariz., where the Barnetts live. The civil trial is expected to continue until Friday.

    The lawsuit is based on a March 7, 2004, incident in a dry wash on the 22,000-acre ranch, when he approached a group of illegal immigrants while carrying a gun and accompanied by a large dog.

    Attorneys for the immigrants - five women and 11 men who were trying to cross illegally into the United States - have accused Mr. Barnett of holding the group captive at gunpoint, threatening to turn his dog loose on them and saying he would shoot anyone who tried to escape.

    The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."

    In the lawsuit, MALDEF said Mr. Barnett approached the group as the immigrants moved through his property, and that he was carrying a pistol and threatening them in English and Spanish. At one point, it said, Mr. Barnett's dog barked at several of the women and he yelled at them in Spanish, "My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

    The lawsuit said he then called his wife and two Border Patrol agents arrived at the site. It also said Mr. Barnett acknowledged that he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

    In March, U.S. District Judge John Roll rejected a motion by Mr. Barnett to have the charges dropped, ruling there was sufficient evidence to allow the matter to be presented to a jury. Mr. Barnett's attorney, David Hardy, had argued that illegal immigrants did not have the same rights as U.S. citizens.

    Mr. Barnett told The Washington Times in a 2002 interview that he began rounding up illegal immigrants after they started to vandalize his property, northeast of Douglas along Arizona Highway 80. He said the immigrants tore up water pumps, killed calves, destroyed fences and gates, stole trucks and broke into his home.

    Some of his cattle died from ingesting the plastic bottles left behind by the immigrants, he said, adding that he installed a faucet on an 8,000-gallon water tank so the immigrants would stop damaging the tank to get water.

    Mr. Barnett said some of the ranch´s established immigrant trails were littered with trash 10 inches deep, including human waste, used toilet paper, soiled diapers, cigarette packs, clothes, backpacks, empty 1-gallon water bottles, chewing-gum wrappers and aluminum foil - which supposedly is used to pack the drugs the immigrant smugglers give their "clients" to keep them running.

    He said he carried a pistol during his searches for the immigrants and had a rifle in his truck "for protection" against immigrant and drug smugglers, who often are armed.

    ASSOCIATED PRESS DEFENDANT: Roger Barnett said he had turned over 12,000 illegal immigrants to the Border Patrol since 1998.

    A former Cochise County sheriff´s deputy who later was successful in the towing and propane business, Mr. Barnett spent $30,000 on electronic sensors, which he has hidden along established trails on his ranch. He searches the ranch for illegal immigrants in a pickup truck, dressed in a green shirt and camouflage hat, with his handgun and rifle, high-powered binoculars and a walkie-talkie.

    His sprawling ranch became an illegal-immigration highway when the Border Patrol diverted its attention to several border towns in an effort to take control of the established ports of entry. That effort moved the illegal immigrants to the remote areas of the border, including the Cross Rail Ranch.

    "This is my land. I´m the victim here," Mr. Barnett said. "When someone´s home and loved ones are in jeopardy and the government seemingly can´t do anything about it, I feel justified in taking matters into my own hands. And I always watch my back."

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    An Arizona man who has waged a 10-year campaign to stop a flood of illegal immigrants from crossing his property is being sued by 16 Mexican nationals who accuse him of conspiring to violate their civil rights when he stopped them at gunpoint on his ranch on the U.S.-Mexico border.


    This doesn't even have to be about immigration rights. In the State of Arizona - and I would imagine most other states, including Texas - it is perfectly legal for landowners to defend their property in a reasonable manner. In this case, the rancher didn't use deadly force, nor did he assault anyone. He simply caught a group of people trespassing on his property, and detained them until the police arrived to arrest them. What should he have done, let them go on their merry way, traipsing through his ranch commit who knows what amount of damage?

    The irony is, if the illegals themselves hadn't started destroying his property, trashing the land, stealing water, and breaking into his home, he probably wouldn't be out there doing this.

    Not even the furthest left leaning liberal can argue that this lawsuit should succeed. I just don't see how. I'm sure that, as usual, Apolyton will prove me wrong
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    So, Sloww's real name is Roger Barnett
    Monkey!!!

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    • #3
      In this case, the rancher didn't use deadly force, nor did he assault anyone.



      The immigrants are represented at trial by the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF), which also charged that Sheriff Dever did nothing to prevent Mr. Barnett from holding their clients at "gunpoint, yelling obscenities at them and kicking one of the women."


      But yes, you should be allowed to do whatever you want on your property, short of deadly force. Including kidnapping passers by and threatening them with guns and dogs, and maybe a decent kick to the ribs. The police got rather cranky with me last Halloween.
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      • #4
        They shouldn't have been on his property in the first place, Ramo.
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        • #5
          That's what I told the police. Damn kids leaving crap all over my yard.
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          • #6
            Sorry, but detaining trespassers until the police arrive is not kidnapping. If your dog is with you and you have a gun, it's still not kidnapping. Yelling obscenities isn't nice, but it isn't kidnapping, nor, last I checked, even a crime. Kidnapping would be abducting a person or group of person's, making no attempt to involve the authorities, and holding them for an indeterminate amount of time against their will. That's not the legal definition, of course, but I think you see the point.

            Detaining trespassers until the police arrive is not the same as kidnapping.

            Also, why are you calling them "passers by", as if they were simply walking on the other side of the rancher's fence line and he corralled them onto his property so that he could "git dem brown peepel"? They were moving through his property without permission, and were in the country illegally to begin with. They weren't exactly innocent.

            As for kicking one of the women - odds are that's a bull**** claim. Even if it isn't, it certainly doesn't give the entire group standing to sue. Also, there may have been a reason he kicked her. However, I'll grant you that there is at least a possibility that the kicking was excessive, if you grant my point about how this has nothing to do with kidnapping.
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            • #7
              That's what I told the police. Damn kids leaving crap all over my yard.
              Now you are trying to equate minors who are actual citizens with adults who illegally cross the border. Come on, you know better.
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              • #8
                This case should have been thrown out. Further proof that the American Legal System is a joke.
                Keep on Civin'
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ramo View Post
                  That's what I told the police. Damn kids leaving crap all over my yard.
                  Are you drunk? You're example isn't similar in the slightest.
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                  • #10
                    Wait, Barnett knows illegals are crossing at his ranch. Federal and county agents know illegals are crossing at his ranch. They all obviously know where Barnett's ranch is. Why haven't they deployed land mines yet?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                      Are you drunk? You're example isn't similar in the slightest.
                      He's being a smart-ass.

                      If they were breaking the law, which they were, he has the right to make a citizens arrest, and detain them until authorities arrive.

                      Originally posted by Solomwi View Post
                      Wait, Barnett knows illegals are crossing at his ranch. Federal and county agents know illegals are crossing at his ranch. They all obviously know where Barnett's ranch is. Why haven't they deployed land mines yet?
                      That would do wonders for the cattle.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by David Floyd View Post
                        Now you are trying to equate minors who are actual citizens with adults who illegally cross the border. Come on, you know better.
                        Irrelevant to whether Barnett did anything actionable. For the record, I don't think he did based on that article.
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                        • #13
                          Sad state of affairs when a situation is so clear-cut that the resident Communist agrees with the resident-whatever-the-hell-I-am, Ming, an DinoDoc, yet a US district judge begs to differ and actually wants to hear the case.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by chequita guevara View Post
                            He's being a smart-ass.

                            If they were breaking the law, which they were, he has the right to make a citizens arrest, and detain them until authorities arrive.



                            That would do wonders for the cattle.
                            Well, you don't blanket the ranch in mines, obviously. Just put them at strategic points along the border. Losing a few cows here and there is a small price to pay for stopping the Mexican Invasion, che.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by David Floyd View Post
                              Sad state of affairs when a situation is so clear-cut that the resident Communist agrees with the resident-whatever-the-hell-I-am, Ming, an DinoDoc, yet a US district judge begs to differ and actually wants to hear the case.
                              The district judge must figure he needs stuff to do.
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