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  • #16
    1. What makes you think that California utilities would buy coal capacity? Also, the 2.5 cents/kwh figure is low. The price for my parents (100% coal, Midwest cooperative) is 9.1 cents per kwh. Granted, that's a delivered retail price. Wholesale prices in the Midwest are in the 5 cent+ range now, with a 2008 average of 6.5 cents.

    2. No breakthrough is required on this. More scale and manufacturing technologies. You ought to take a look at some of the thin film stuff. Solar might not be as exciting as the analysis makes it sound, but at least it's starting to get modestly interesting.
    Last edited by DanS; January 12, 2009, 01:22.
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    • #17
      The article mentions an average price for electricity off the grid at 9 cents.
      This new technology is 7.5 cents.

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      • #18
        Don't confuse costs and prices.
        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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        • #19
          Plenty of people have recouped their costs thru solar and now sell excess production back to the energy companies. Solar has a high initial cost due to parts and installation but after that it's all gravy.

          Solar isn't going to be a single-source wellspring of power like nuke plants for a long time of ever. It will be realized thru point-use like small businesses and homes.
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          • #20
            plenty of space

            for solar on the tops of every building. Solar is not a total replacement. It is part of a total solution.
            “It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”

            ― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man

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            • #21
              Originally posted by pchang View Post
              Perhaps the Sahara will turn into a giant solar plant for Europe.
              I'm not particularly thrilled about relying for electricity on countries like Lybia and Sudan, along with a host of other poorly-run states. And what about maintaining facilities in such regions? Qualified personnel? Transmission costs? Sandstorms? It's a silly idea.
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