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    Canada's coup d'etat: Opposition parties join to overthrow gov't (Part 2)

    Prior thread: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...hreadid=182206

    I'm a lot more optimistic about the Canadian experiment than you guys are.

    Do you really not remember that just twenty years ago we had the unholy alliance of Quebec and Alberta returning Mulroney to Ottawa?

    I don't see Canadian politics as (generally) more regionalist than US politics, for instance. Individual elections may be, but it's a constantly shifting situation.
    You like it more because Quebec only stands to benefit out of all of these scenarios.

    Edit: And I will hear no *****ing about my thread title.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Wezil


    It makes more sense for Manitoba to go west. Northern Ontario doesn't even want to be part of Ontario as the interests of the south are so much different than theirs. Regionalism within a province...
    No, we hate Manitoba out west.

    We're willing to compromise and simply raze the province.
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    • #3
      It's not really a coup d'état. You need a military to have one of those.

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      • #4
        See my OP edit.
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        • #5
          What do you think caused me to post?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
            What do you think caused me to post?
            Boredom and sexual frustration, as a general rule.
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            • #7
              You know me so well...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Wezil


                You'd like.

                Attack ads. Quotes Dion made in the last election (in his own words of course) about how he can't partner with the NDP.
                This is a very fair attack.

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                • #9
                  Re: Canada's coup d'etat: Opposition parties join to overthrow gov't (Part 2)

                  Originally posted by Asher
                  Prior thread: http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showt...hreadid=182206



                  You like it more because Quebec only stands to benefit out of all of these scenarios.
                  I hate Quebec (but love Montreal). Well, "hate" is too strong a word.

                  I never felt welcome in my own province, Asher. I feel much more Canadian than I do Quebecer. And would likely feel more at home in Calgary or Edmonton than anywhere outside Montreal in Quebec.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re: Canada's coup d'etat: Opposition parties join to overthrow gov't (Part 2)

                    Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                    I hate Quebec (but love Montreal). Well, "hate" is too strong a word.

                    I never felt welcome in my own province, Asher. I feel much more Canadian than I do Quebecer. And would likely feel more at home in Calgary or Edmonton than anywhere outside Montreal in Quebec.

                    Still, Quebecs's gains are Montreal's gains. Quebec has had undue influence and federal money in its favour for decades.

                    Alberta is at the exact opposite end of that spectrum.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher


                      The difference is Alberta contributes what Quebec takeths away. There's less incentive for Alberta to stick around whining than to do something about it.
                      Monetarily Quebec has an incentive to stay in Confederation. But the sense of cultural/historical victimhood is very strong among French Canadians (though it appears to finally be lessening among the younger generation).

                      Money isn't everything, Asher. Nationalism is an important human motivation.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KrazyHorse


                        This is a very fair attack.

                        Absolutely.

                        The only down side I see is that it feeds that perception of Conservatives as being too aggressive and unwilling to compromise.

                        I see few other options at this point though. They are obviously hoping to raise enough public anger that the opposition has no choice but to back down. This will have to be coupled with a request of the GG to prorogue as there isn't time enough for the plan to work before Monday.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Re: Re: Canada's coup d'etat: Opposition parties join to overthrow gov't (Part 2)

                          Originally posted by Asher


                          Still, Quebecs's gains are Montreal's gains. Quebec has had undue influence and federal money in its favour for decades.

                          Alberta is at the exact opposite end of that spectrum.
                          Exact opposite end? Alberta's had a strong voice in a lengthy majority government as well as being THE power base of a minority government. All in the last 30 years.

                          Not bad for a province with 1/10th the population of Canada. Quebec has wielded far more power per capita than you would expect in the same timeframe, but Alberta is by no means the most powerless of Canada's provinces (per capita). It might be running 2nd behind Quebec in influence per capita...
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                          Killing it is the new killing it
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                            Monetarily Quebec has an incentive to stay in Confederation. But the sense of cultural/historical victimhood is very strong among French Canadians (though it appears to finally be lessening among the younger generation).

                            Money isn't everything, Asher. Nationalism is an important human motivation.
                            They can't pretend to be victims when they voted to stay in the country themselves and they get paid handsomely to do it.

                            I reject outright any victimization claims based on culture and nationality . Quebec has everything they could ever want and more, and if they want MORE then they're more than welcome to **** off and go get it. They piss everyone off by whining about their victimization while we all suffer with less money while it gets funneled to corrupt politicos and firms in Quebec, and funding French-only bullyism.
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                            • #15
                              Now you're just in Albertan whiner mode, dude. Take a step back and breathe.
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