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  • What's next for the GOP?

    Now that they've been pretty well flattened, where do they go from here? I'm not a political junkie, but these are the options I see:

    1. They spend many years in effective exile, barely holding on to a few seats in Congress and being unobtrusive, until the public has forgotten the W years and starts voting for them again.

    2. Obama does something phenomenally stupid, or there are a bunch of gigundo scandals, or the Democratic party in some other way lives up to its reputation for screwing up a sure thing, and the political balance returns to 2004 levels or so.

    3. The party fragments into economic and social conservative factions, which beat up on each other and vie for power, effectively making the Dems invincible for some time.

    4. The GOP disintegrates entirely and eventually a new party coalesces around heaven-knows-what platform. Presumptively the economic types flee to Libertarianism and the social types start stockpiling ammo in walled compounds or something.

    5. The GOP gets another Reagan-type figure or otherwise succeeds in reinventing itself. Business as usual.

    I'm not saying anything about the relative probability of any of these. Polypundits?
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    The Republican Rump

    By PAUL KRUGMAN
    Published: November 3, 2008

    Maybe the polls are wrong, and John McCain is about to pull off the biggest election upset in American history. But right now the Democrats seem poised both to win the White House and to greatly expand their majorities in both houses of Congress.

    Most of the post-election discussion will presumably be about what the Democrats should and will do with their mandate. But let me ask a different question that will also be important for the nation’s future: What will defeat do to the Republicans?

    You might think, perhaps hope, that Republicans will engage in some soul-searching, that they’ll ask themselves whether and how they lost touch with the national mainstream. But my prediction is that this won’t happen any time soon.

    Instead, the Republican rump, the party that’s left after the election, will be the party that attends Sarah Palin’s rallies, where crowds chant “Vote McCain, not Hussein!” It will be the party of Saxby Chambliss, the senator from Georgia, who, observing large-scale early voting by African-Americans, warns his supporters that “the other folks are voting.” It will be the party that harbors menacing fantasies about Barack Obama’s Marxist — or was that Islamic? — roots.

    Why will the G.O.P. become more, not less, extreme? For one thing, projections suggest that this election will drive many of the remaining Republican moderates out of Congress, while leaving the hard right in place.

    For example, Larry Sabato, the election forecaster, predicts that seven Senate seats currently held by Republicans will go Democratic on Tuesday. According to the liberal-conservative rankings of the political scientists Keith Poole and Howard Rosenthal, five of the soon-to-be-gone senators are more moderate than the median Republican senator — so the rump, the G.O.P. caucus that remains, will have shifted further to the right. The same thing seems set to happen in the House.

    Also, the Republican base already seems to be gearing up to regard defeat not as a verdict on conservative policies, but as the result of an evil conspiracy. A recent Democracy Corps poll found that Republicans, by a margin of more than two to one, believe that Mr. McCain is losing “because the mainstream media is biased” rather than “because Americans are tired of George Bush.”

    And Mr. McCain has laid the groundwork for feverish claims that the election was stolen, declaring that the community activist group Acorn — which, as Factcheck.org points out, has never “been found guilty of, or even charged with” causing fraudulent votes to be cast — “is now on the verge of maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy.” Needless to say, the potential voters Acorn tries to register are disproportionately “other folks,” as Mr. Chambliss might put it.

    Anyway, the Republican base, egged on by the McCain-Palin campaign, thinks that elections should reflect the views of “real Americans” — and most of the people reading this column probably don’t qualify.

    Thus, in the face of polls suggesting that Mr. Obama will win Virginia, a top McCain aide declared that the “real Virginia” — the southern part of the state, excluding the Washington, D.C., suburbs — favors Mr. McCain. A majority of Americans now live in big metropolitan areas, but while visiting a small town in North Carolina, Ms. Palin described it as “what I call the real America,” one of the “pro-America” parts of the nation. The real America, it seems, is small-town, mainly southern and, above all, white.

    I’m not saying that the G.O.P. is about to become irrelevant. Republicans will still be in a position to block some Democratic initiatives, especially if the Democrats fail to achieve a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

    And that blocking ability will ensure that the G.O.P. continues to receive plenty of corporate dollars: this year the U.S. Chamber of Commerce has poured money into the campaigns of Senate Republicans like Minnesota’s Norm Coleman, precisely in the hope of denying Democrats a majority large enough to pass pro-labor legislation.

    But the G.O.P.’s long transformation into the party of the unreasonable right, a haven for racists and reactionaries, seems likely to accelerate as a result of the impending defeat.

    This will pose a dilemma for moderate conservatives. Many of them spent the Bush years in denial, closing their eyes to the administration’s dishonesty and contempt for the rule of law. Some of them have tried to maintain that denial through this year’s election season, even as the McCain-Palin campaign’s tactics have grown ever uglier. But one of these days they’re going to have to realize that the G.O.P. has become the party of intolerance.

    A version of this article appeared in print on November 3, 2008, on page A31 of the New York edition
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    • #3
      It depends entirely on whether Obama turns out to be what he's cracked up to be. If the next 8 years are peaceful and prosperous the GOP is doomed for 20-30 years, but nobody's that perfect. What's happening in the economy now probably won't hit rock-bottom until his first or second year no matter what policies he'll enact in the first 100 days.

      He's really put himself in a jam because he can change his mind on doing any net tax increase to help an economic rebound he can take credit for, but that would be at the expense of the ginormous amount of free **** people expect. Or he could start giving out the free **** immediately and risk perpetuating this economic trough in the process. One way or the other he won't live up to expectations, but whether he'll be enough of a relative disappointment for people to forget the last eight years is too early to tell.

      One thing's for damned sure, there's nobody on the national stage right now that could ever make #5 happen.
      Unbelievable!

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      • #4
        It looks like there will be some internal bloodletting, but I think ultimately the same basic tent (economic conservatives + social conservatives) will stick together and wait for the Dems to screw up.

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        • #5
          It'd be nice to see them return to their roots: Small government, low taxes, balanced budget, international isolationism, traditional values.

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          • #6
            I'll take 1-3 for $500, Alex...
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            • #7
              hopefully they'll ditch free trade.

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              • #8
                Seriously, what part of our recent history is going to suggest anything else but the passing of the baton back and forth based on incompetence of the incumbent party?

                I mean, sure, it may all blow up and we get something else someday... but the odds aren't looking good that it will be soon.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Aeson
                  Seriously, what part of our recent history is going to suggest anything else but the passing of the baton back and forth based on incompetence of the incumbent party?
                  QFT

                  In 8 years everybody will forget that the preceding mess or the present circle-jerk ever happened. The left-right paradigm is metaphorically just a continuing sine wave winding around one line that barely moves at all.

                  Nothing changes. At least not until people have an attention span that lasts longer than broadcast segments.
                  Unbelievable!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Whoha
                    hopefully they'll ditch free trade.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      We just put Mister Free trade up, and he got crushed like an insect. McCain believes that every syllable of Nafta is Sacrosanct, and it didn't win him your (moral)support.

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                      • #12
                        Maybe because Obama's Mister Free Trade also?
                        Unbelievable!

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                        • #13
                          While it is true that he supports free trade, he has done a great deal to hide it, and many of his supporters believe otherwise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Whoha
                            We just put Mister Free trade up, and he got crushed like an insect. McCain believes that every syllable of Nafta is Sacrosanct, and it didn't win him your (moral)support.
                            Too bad he pandered to social conservatives, huh?
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darius871


                              QFT

                              In 8 years everybody will forget that the preceding mess or the present circle-jerk ever happened. The left-right paradigm is metaphorically just a continuing sine wave winding around one line that barely moves at all.

                              Nothing changes. At least not until people have an attention span that lasts longer than broadcast segments.
                              Except that Democratic votes have been steadily climbing since Carter, and Republican votes seem more influenced by the specific person.

                              Maybe we're coming to a place where America is finally rationally liberalizing itself (as opposed to the late 60s, where people did too many drugs and spit on the troops coming home.)

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