So if Obama wins, that's democracy at work. If McCain wins, the fix is in, right?

[Deity Dude]

Re: So if Obama wins, that's democracy at work. If McCain wins, the fix is in, right?

Originally posted by Lancer
A thread for the logic of the left.

Like I said earlier I am no McCain supporter but you crystallized my thoughts exactly.

What's even worse is, let's say the undecideds and Barr supporters all go McCain and there is a"Bradley effect" in addition and McCain does somehow win this; What would be the aftermath? I don't think we are at the point where we would have riots or anything but I am pretty sure something would happen.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lancer
I agree Sloww. There's some lefties that assume the election is fixed if it doesn't come out like the polls predict. That's as bogus as the polls.

If polling was crap, campaigns wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars conducting them.

The problem is some people don't understand how polls work and statistics, so they assume if they aren't being polled, it means pollsters aren't getting an accurate picture.

[Lancer]

Riots in the cities, for certain. Chicago, Detroit and LA go nuts.

[Naked Gents Rut]

If polling was crap, campaigns wouldn't spend hundreds of millions of dollars conducting them.

Campaigns don't use publicly-released polling.

They also don't spend "hundreds of millions of dollars" on their internals.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Lancer
Riots in the cities, for certain. Chicago, Detroit and LA go nuts.

Yeah, 'cause dem darkies jes can' control demselves.

[Lancer]

We'll see what happens with the poll on Tuesday shall we?

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut
Campaigns don't use publicly-released polling.

So? They still use polling, and there's no evidence that internal polling is any more or less accurate than the widely-available polls.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by Boris Godunov


Yeah, 'cause dem darkies jes can' control demselves.

I'm not a racist Boris, nor am I a complete idiot. Well not complete. Lets just see what happens in those cities when McCain wins.

[Naked Gents Rut]

They still use polling, and there's no evidence that internal polling is any more or less accurate than the widely-available polls.

If internal polls weren't more accurate than public polls, campaigns wouldn't spend "hundreds of millions of dollars" conducting them.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Lancer


nor am I a complete idiot.

Are you sure? Look at your sig

[GePap]

Originally posted by Lancer


I assume this is true based on the wealthier a person is the less time they have for dealing with the rifraf. (us)

That might be true for say the top 95th percentile, which:

a) Means that their numbers are too small to swing any election based on their actual votes (as opposed to contributions)

b) Most people currently in that demographic are actually Democrats. Maybe in the top 99th percentile Republicans dominate, but most "rich" people (lets say making over $150,000 a year) are college educated, and have some graduate degree, and Democrats have a bigger share of this group; you know, the dreaded "Elites".

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


Campaigns don't use publicly-released polling.

They also don't spend "hundreds of millions of dollars" on their internals.

Yah. A single poll generally costs a few thousand dollars to carry out. Designing a poll's methodology costs a bit more, but you only pay it one time.

I have noticed that the McCain campaign has now resorted to lying about what their internals show (or is lying to themselves about it). You know a campaign's reached the end of its rope when it does that.

[Lancer]

I might be wrong about that assumption anyway GePap. I'm not rich, have an unlisted #, and got polled the other day. So likely I'm wrong about that.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Naked Gents Rut


If internal polls weren't more accurate than public polls, campaigns wouldn't spend "hundreds of millions of dollars" conducting them.

Internals are generally no better than public polls. The reason campaigns use them is because there are not always public polls measuring what they want to measure.

[Lancer]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous


Are you sure? Look at your sig

Game set and match.