Es ist Zeit für reich!

[Lancer]

[OzzyKP]

Re: Es ist Zeit für reich!

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I've already said that this feels like a 1920's or 30's rerun, but still.... if we go into depression what will arise... good old fashion fascism, Nazism or Communism? Or will it be something new like technocracy or ecofascism?

Muslim extremists and/or anti-muslim extremists. Seem to be the only plausible options.

[Victor Galis]

Well the Nazis Republicans have already accused the Communists of being involved in the burning of the Reichstag bombing of the US Capitol. It doesn't seem to be working so well this time.

[Agathon]

Authoritarianism looks like the winner. Well, it has been winning for some time now. Oh well...

[BeBMan]

reich = rich

Reich = what you meant



Also, to all others here: it's never "hiel" but "Heil", and never "Seig" but "Sieg", and "jawohl" is one word, so not "Ja wohl"

People who want to include funny sounding Krautwordis in threadi titles/posts should at least know the basics.

[Unimatrix11]

Originally posted by Lancer
I'm not saying it isn't a good idea, I just don't believe its in practice. Simply because it will happen whether a bunch of people work to make it happen or not.

Armageddon is a future historical fact.

lol - thats what i always say about Star Trek: It´s not science fiction, it´s future history...

@BeBro : You beat me to it - Tho ´ja´ and ´wohl´ are of course independent words, ´jawohl´ being one of those typical german composites, which got a life on it´s own over time. Closest in english would be (imho): "Yessir !" - as a composite of ´yes´ and ´sir´ (though ´wohl´ doesnt mean ´sir´, it´s meaning being highly context-dependent and so not translateable into a single english word, that none-native speakers shouldnt even try to use it).

[Provost Harrison]

Re: Es ist Zeit für reich!

Originally posted by Heraclitus
I've already said that this feels like a 1920's or 30's rerun, but still.... if we go into depression what will arise... good old fashion fascism, Nazism or Communism? Or will it be something new like technocracy or ecofascism?


Most young people over here seem to be in a slightly nationalist marching mood and have a undirected anger at the system not to mention a deep distrust of immigrants.



So I may as well start practicing marching in silly uniforms....

I'm going to start working on a huge ****ing Marx-style beard and go Commie

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by BeBro
reich = rich

Reich = what you meant



Also, to all others here: it's never "hiel" but "Heil", and never "Seig" but "Sieg", and "jawohl" is one word, so not "Ja wohl"

People who want to include funny sounding Krautwordis in threadi titles/posts should at least know the basics.

Krabbenchips!

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Unimatrix11


lol - thats what i always say about Star Trek: It´s not science fiction, it´s future history...

@BeBro : You beat me to it - Tho ´ja´ and ´wohl´ are of course independent words, ´jawohl´ being one of those typical german composites, which got a life on it´s own over time. Closest in english would be (imho): "Yessir !" - as a composite of ´yes´ and ´sir´ (though ´wohl´ doesnt mean ´sir´, it´s meaning being highly context-dependent and so not translateable into a single english word, that none-native speakers shouldnt even try to use it).

Me and my boss's boss were having this difficulty with the word "ansatz"...he couldn't translate it and I didn't know what the word meant

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by BeBro
reich = rich

Reich = what you meant



Also, to all others here: it's never "hiel" but "Heil", and never "Seig" but "Sieg", and "jawohl" is one word, so not "Ja wohl"

People who want to include funny sounding Krautwordis in threadi titles/posts should at least know the basics.

Isn't he cute, pretending that German is a real language and all...

[Heraclitus]

Re: Re: Es ist Zeit für reich!

Originally posted by OzzyKP


Muslim extremists and/or anti-muslim extremists. Seem to be the only plausible options.

Well yes, but anti-muslim extremism mostly falls under Nazism and Fascism, I've already stated that I'm not too optimistic about how we Europeans will react to the Muslim presence, America has a much better chance of peacefully integrating them.

[Heraclitus]

Re: Re: Es ist Zeit für reich!

Originally posted by Provost Harrison


I'm going to start working on a huge ****ing Marx-style beard and go Commie

BTW Have you noticed that the more authoritarian a Communist is the less facial hair he grows?

[Heraclitus]

Originally posted by Agathon
Authoritarianism looks like the winner. Well, it has been winning for some time now. Oh well...

True that

Oh, well 20 years ago my little country had a shift away from authoritarian and so far we have been to small for the megacorps to notice, this won't last long however.

New Zealand seems to be a rather reasonable not to authoritarian place to live, is it really like that and if you had to which country would you say is least authoritarian in the modern world?

[Agathon]

Originally posted by Heraclitus

New Zealand seems to be a rather reasonable not to authoritarian place to live, is it really like that and if you had to which country would you say is least authoritarian in the modern world?

Sweden is probably the least authoritarian.

NZ is OK, but only because we have proportional representation. However, there's a nasty smell in the air, and that means the conservatives are likely to get voted in this time (the Labour government has been in for three terms and is on its last legs). Word is they will get rid of PR, as PR was instituted largely to prevent neoliberalism being forced on New Zealanders. Once they've got rid of it, expect crap.

What most New Zealanders really want is an old style conservative party that is red tory (not everyone would like it, but pretty much everyone could live with such a government). Unfortunately, the rich people who fund the New Zealand National Party want a neoliberal slash and burn party – the very thing we changed our electoral system to prevent because it was so bad. So the National Party spends all its time trying to convince New Zealanders that it won't do the radical things it plans to do, and keeps getting shown up by the press (last time, they had a bunch of fundies doing illegal campaign leafleting for them).

Neoliberalism is like a virus that the country can't seem to shake. I guess we aren't alone there.

We have a vocal bunch of fascists though. Some of them are rather worrying. We have this thing called the Sensible Sentencing Trust, which is a (secretly funded) right wing pressure group that wants to bring back the death penalty and introduce draconian punishments. They go around the country holding meetings and misrepresenting crime statistics to make people think that New Zealand is overrun with rapists and murderers (crime in NZ is actually lower than it used to be, like most other countries). My mother got taken to one of these mass meetings by some friends and she described it as being "like a Nuremberg rally".

[Unimatrix11]

´Ansatz´ - what a nice example to demonstrate what a pretty language German actually is. ´Ansatz´ consists, again, out of two words, `an´ and ´satz´.

´an´ is commonly used in conjunction with other words (´ankommen´ - arrive, ´Anfang´ - beginning, ´Ansturm´ - rush....) but also means ´at´ when it stands alone. When combined with other words in invokes pictures of attaching something to the beginning of something else. Like in ´ankommen´ you arrive somewhere, have that somewhere in front of you - thus you are somehow attached to the beginning of that somehwhere. Now, the beginning part is questionable, but the attaching-part is evident.

´satz´ means ´sentence´ or ´set´.

Now in combination `Ansatz´ means ´set at´ in sense of starting something (attaching oneself to it / like: tackle it) from a certain point. It´s the way you start an essay or maybe a hypothesis (the set of assumptions for example) - your point of departure so to say. (It is not used for ´setting´, say, a timer, tho, as one might think). If a theory is flawed in its basic assumptions, it is flawed in its ´Ansatz´ - from its very beginning. Also if you use a lever, you need a ´Ansatzpunkt´ (a point of A). I guess your attempts to get the word right failed in the ´Ansatz´ (since you couldnt figure a way to tackle it or chose a wrong one, as opposed to having followed basically the correct line of reasoning but made a mistake somewhere along the way).

Hope I made it clear .

BTW What Mark Twain wrote about the Awful German Language is mostly true, but he failed to mention what interesting thoughts composite words that got a life on their own can offer, once one starts to think about the components and how they combine. Take the very common word ´Gegenstand´ which means simply ´thing´ or ´issue´ but literally means ´against-stood´. Now if you think long enough about what a ´thing´ really is, you might conclude that it is something that offers some resistance (thus the term ´soap-bubble´ is used for things that hardly are things, which merely exist - they offer no resistance, but pop instead), something that, if you will walk against it, would ´stand against´ you. Thus, you take note of things (and issues!) once they ´stood against´.